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Subject: 10 books about to go lost
Date Posted: 7/22/2008 10:17 PM ET
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I generally confine myself to deals. Big deals. The bigger the better. A few weeks ago, I requested a deal of 50 for 10. Fifty books for 10 credits. The books went through the requesting process and were marked mailed. And I waited. And waited.

Other deals came and went and I still waited. I found out a couple of days ago that the books were never sent. The requestor had a sob story and everything. I'm sure circumstances were such that she couldn't send the books.

Why mark them mailed? And, why wait 3 weeks to let me know? I could have gotten most of the books in another deal. I didn't because I thought they were already coming. Very, very frustrating.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 10:31 PM ET
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Did she return your credits? Don't give her another chance....

I have to admit, I'm rarely tempted by the Bazaar, just seems as though there have been too many such stories these past few months.......

 I would probably let R&R know, they do keep track of bad trades, this certainly qualifies!

You are wise to make friends in the forums, then you can make deals with people you know, although 5 for 1 seems perhaps too good to be true.......

There are some great traders here, hang in there!

 

Elizabeth

 

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 10:36 PM ET
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I think you'd be justified in feeling a bit more than frustration.  At least something ten times more potent.  I'm sure the problems the Sender had were similar to those that prevent a person from sending a single book, but it's definitely a little late for the apology.  Is she at least going to send them now?  Have you considered contacting PBS?  I just can't get over the size of the deal.  I think if someone's going to make an offer like that they should have more than just intentions of making good on it.  If you're not going to be ten times frustrated then I'll share the burden and be a little frustrated with you!  Hope it works itself out somehow.

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Date Posted: 7/22/2008 10:54 PM ET
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The great thing about doing multi-credit trades is that you can easily get 5-for-1 or better. However, I'm not a complete idiot. I requested 10 books from her shelf and didn't send her the credits directly. So, when the books go lost, I'll get all 10 credits back. And, R&R will have a record of the bad transaction.

Just to keep things in perspective, the next deal that I made directly after this one was for 150-for-30. That is, 150 books for 30 credits. That trade went off without a hitch. In fact, I requested the books after this bad trade and received them the next week. Perfect deal all the way around. I've made dozens of deals from the bazaar and this is my first bad one (well there was one other that was sent very late, but it was sent). And, I didn't really lose anything other than the opportunity to get the books from someone else. And time.

She claimed poverty and would "try" to send the books. It's not going to happen though. I told her that the books would time out before she sent them. And, if she was really in such dire straights, she should spend the money on necessities rather than postage.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:13 PM ET
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I can't imagine packaging up 150 books!  I'm anal about packaging one book to mail.  That's amazing to me.  I have that many on my wish list and in my TBR, but I certainly don't have that many on my bookshelf. (That's because DH went through a fit of "have to clean up now and throw everything away!"  Everybody hides their stuff when he gets these fits!  ;D  I'm glad you went through the system with the credits.  I'm not as generous as you and others - it sounds like a scam to me.

Ruth

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:20 PM ET
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I don't think it was a scam. If it was, it wasn't a good one. I'm more inclined to believe that she got in over her head. And, I'll always go through the system. I'm not generous at all. I'll never give away credits no matter what sob story is used.

Now, the 150 book deal came in 3 boxes. It was much too big for one. At the post office, I had to go in the back and get the boxes since the women working back there couldn't pick them up. I'm actually sort of sad about the deal. The guy who was running it had over 2000 books on his shelf. He said I could have them all for 200 credits. I didn't have the credits, so I got the lesser deal. Still, it's for the best. I didn't really have the space for what I got. I don't know what I would have done with an extra 2000 books.

Subject: Finally, I don't have to feel bad about the size of my collection!
Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:23 PM ET
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I just have to add that for a whle, with people talking about being crowded by piles of books numbering in the 20's, I felt like something was wrong with me for nearing/having reached 1,000.  You're my kind of swapper, Tim.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:39 PM ET
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I'm clearing them out as fast as I can (despite what my previous posts may indicate). My trading pile still covers all the extra space in my office and has expanded into the kitchen. I really need the kitchen space back before too much longer. It's almost time to start stocking up on food.

My TBR pile covers one wall of my bedroom. I built the shelves specifically to hold the books. They don't look that great, but they work.

I've got plenty to keep me reading until well into next year. No need to be too greedy. One more deal (outgoing) and I'm done for the year. For the most part anyway. Even after I put my account on hold at the end of the month, I'll probably drop in every so often.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:44 PM ET
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Tim, no one ever said someone had to be smart to be shady.  LOL!! ;D  But you are probably right.  I don't know what I would do if all those books came to me.  I'm sure my DH would file for divorce!   But it is intriguing to think about having that many books!  And to think - the chance to get 2000 all at once!  It's mind-boggling.  I hope you do come back.  I'm always sad when people pos that they are done.  I don't think I will be done until they plant me in the ground!  And that probably isn't that far off! ;D

Ruth

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:47 PM ET
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I'm not leaving. Just taking a break and catching up on my TBR. Getting ready for winter. Maybe do a little writing. That looks like it might be interesting.

And, I'd never leave without using up all of my credits. I'll have about 70 credits at the end of this month. I have uses for all 70. Or, I will eventually.

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 9:24 AM ET
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hubby just noticed my shelved TBR books in the front room (they have been there for a month) and asked why they were there.  I asked if he would rather they be there or in boxes scattered across several rooms.  that kind of shut him up!  LOL

bummer that this deal didn't happen but that person should have known better.

Just make sure when they time out that you aren't thrown back in the FIFO system

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 10:09 AM ET
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Date Posted: 7/23/2008 10:22 AM ET
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Just throwing my 2 cents in, that order should not be allowed to go lost. The sender needs to use the contact us link and ask TPTB to cancel the transaction. This is what the HC has to say... 

  • If you need to cancel a book after you have marked it mailed

    • Please contact us and specify the book title, so that we can cancel the transaction for you.
  • Date Posted: 7/23/2008 10:33 AM ET
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    Actually, it will only result in 8 orders instead of 10. Two of the books don't have any other copies in the system and will go to my wishlist. I've already planned to be online when the books timed out so that I can catch the requests before they go to the next person in line.

    Sandra, you're right. The sender should cancel the transactions instead of making me wait. Realistically though, what are the chances of that happening? She made me wait 3 weeks before even telling me that books won't be coming. I doubt she'll suddenly do the right thing now.

    Date Posted: 7/23/2008 2:05 PM ET
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    You would think that she must have had doubts about her ability to afford that much postage for one shipment before she offered the deal.  The largest box I've ever sent out had 40+ books in it, and it really wasn't all that expensive, although I don't recall exactly how much it cost now.  I also spent the rest of the evening on the day I got the request, pulling & packing, and even made a special trip to the PO before it closed, so I could get them out right away.  it made me so nervous to be sending that many books at once, and I wanted to get it right.  150 books at once - sending or receiving - is what's mind-boggling to me.  I'd send them with PBS postage, and be watching that little mail truck move across the map and chewing my nails the entire way:P

    Date Posted: 7/23/2008 2:24 PM ET
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    Well, to be completely fair, her post on the bazaar was for something smaller. However, since she had so many books that I wanted, I upped the size of the deal. Proportionally, of course. The same number of books per credit, just more credits than she thought she'd get at one time.

    The other guy (with the 150 books) did use delivery confirmation on the one box that actually had the 30 books that I requested. I can't remember if it was on the other boxes or not. I tend not to worry too much about deals in progress. It's just the ones that I know are going to go bad that cause me grief.

    Life's too short to worry about things that you can't fix.

    Date Posted: 7/25/2008 5:36 PM ET
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    i dont think she gets the 10 credits taken away from her if the deal goes lost. 

    I know you get your credits back, but I think TPTB should know about it BEFORE they go lost, otherwise the credit price will end up getting more expensive.

    Date Posted: 7/25/2008 5:59 PM ET
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    She would have to have used Printable Postage in order to have gotten her credits already, which according to the story I doubt, so no, she won't lose credits, she just won't gain them.  I can't imagine why the price of credits would go up.  I mean, I agree that PBS should be told that the books were never mailed so that they don't have an issue with the PO over this, but the price of credits shouldn't be affected.  The price of credits change with the increases in postage and other "economic" factors like the number of credits in the system vs. the number of books.  New memberships and credit hoarding affect that the most, I think. 

    Date Posted: 7/25/2008 8:49 PM ET
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    bummer. there's no excuse to mark something mailed then not mail or at least notifiy the person. I think something worse though are the ones that cancel the order ona deal so it goes to the  next in FIFO so you end up spending a credit for the 1 book when you were expecting a deal.ahh..the dangerous book bazaar LOL! might have to go there...

    Date Posted: 7/25/2008 9:00 PM ET
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    Tim, 2 questions, if you don't mind.  First, have you heard of an "M" bag, for those large orders, like the 150 books one?  It's even cheaper than media mail.  And, how quickly do you work your way thru these books, do you get them all for you to read, and how many books do you read, like, say, in a month?  I'm just curious...........

    Date Posted: 7/25/2008 9:14 PM ET
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    I have used an "M" bag before to send books to a friend in Taiwan. I knew it was international. I didn't know that it was available domestically.

    As to the reading, I'm a fair reader. I can go through 7-8 books a month during the fair weather months. During most of the fall and all of the winter, all I do is read. I live so far in the country that I get no television and my Internet is spotty at best. Plus, the roads often become impassable during the winter, so I sit at home next to a roaring fire, wrapped in a blanket and read.

    And, I have another use for the books. I've decided to try my hand at writing. I've picked out the genres and am currently looking to writers in those genres. As I eliminate an author to emulate, I remove his books from the TBR shelves. I figure that by early next year, I'll be looking for something new to read. I've already removed some of the more prolific writers in the genres that I'm interested in.

    Subject: My Husband (the serious Bookworm)
    Date Posted: 7/26/2008 12:55 AM ET
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    Did an order off of Ebay (I would assume from an estate sale) several years ago for a collection of 900 Sci Fi & Fantasy books and they came in 14 large boxes. He told me the media mail postage cost more than buying the books. It was still a great deal even if about 250 were duplicates of some he already had. He just finished putting 8 new bookcases together (yea! for "Tax Stimulas" check) to go with the other 12 we have. Tim don't you dare mention a 2,000 book deal to him! We have about 8,000 books now and I tried to get him to promise to cut off when we hit 10,000. He said sure, I will stop getting books when I get to 10,000 Sci Fi & Fantasy books.

    Patrica

    Date Posted: 7/26/2008 10:21 AM ET
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    Just a quick update. First, the books had been marked as "Date of System Action: 07/28/2008 12:00 AM ET", i.e. Monday. Or so I thought. Instead, they went lost today. I received the notice this morning and hurried over here to stop them from going back into FIFO.

    I found out something new. Books that go lost don't go back into FIFO automatically. If another book is in the system, it goes to the Reminder list. If there isn't, it goes to the Wish list.

    I was a bit worried that I wouldn't be able to catch the new orders. Turns out, I didn't need to.

    Date Posted: 7/26/2008 11:06 AM ET
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    Yeah they put lost books on RL and suggest you not reorder them for 2 wks incase they show up. It's the ingored requests that go to FIFO.  Everytime I order books on a deal like that I keep a close eye on them incase they get cancelled or time out.  Most are books I wouldn't want to pay a whole credit for and only want on a deal.

    Your story is exactly why I never do any deals w/o having some go through official PBS channels. Remember that poor lady who gave someone all those credits for audio books she never got?  It was a lot of credits that she buddied and the other person flaked out on her.  There's nothing PBS can do if the deal is done through PMS. But if you order some books in the deal and they go lost you'll get your credits back. 

    Date Posted: 7/26/2008 12:17 PM ET
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