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Subject: The 11th Doctor finale - thoughts, opinions?
Date Posted: 4/19/2010 7:42 PM ET
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Did anyone else happen to catch the first episode of Doctor Who starring the new Doctor, Matt Smith?  I understand not everyone has BBC America, and so some will have to wait until the new episodes reach Syfy (unless they find the episode on the Internet), but I thought maybe a few who frequent this forum might have caught it.  I grew up watching Tom Baker on PBS, but was slow to catch on until halfway through Tennant's tenure.  I've been extremely impressed with the job they've done bringing the show into the 21st century without losing all of that old BBC-ish touch.  I was sad to see Tennant go, as I'd become a huge fan of his interpretation of the character, and was honestly angered at the choice of young and awkward Matt Smith.  Still, out of respect for the overall series, I figured I'd give him about 3 episodes before giving up in disgust.  That is, that was my plan until I saw the first episode, titled "The Eleventh Hour".  I was absolutely shocked by how natural the transition seemed, both from Tennant to Smith, as well as from Russell T. Davies to Steven Moffat.  The episode was largely an opportunity to become acquainted with the latest incarnation as he stumbled his way through the after-effects of the regeneration process, but the timid storyline was hardly a problem.  I thought he did an excellent job of bringing fresh perspective to the character while still paying due homage to his predecessors (particularly Tennant).  Overall, by the end of the episode I was thrilled by the change and more than excited to see the rest of the new season.  My mother's still a bit wary, but she was terribly attached to Tennant's Doctor.  To anyone who happened to catch the premiere, what did you think? 



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Subject: I saw it!
Date Posted: 4/19/2010 8:25 PM ET
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The new doctor was OK, I'd have to give him more time to grow on me.  The episode was hard to follow, went VERY fast.  Thank goodness I have the TIVO equivalent and could replay because the dialogue just whizzed by.  What?  What?  what just happened????  I'm looking forward to the episode that has the weeping angels returning.  Series looks good though, get to see his (wife???).  I was kinda hoping he'd get a male companion again.  Anyways, off to a good start. 



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Date Posted: 4/20/2010 10:50 PM ET
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Boy does Eleven talk fast.

I thought Prisoner Zero was kind of ridiculous.  I'm not sure if I'm going to like the show under Moffat, because he's bringing back the angels (I may be an adult but I find those things terrifying!) and I hated the character he introduced in series four (River?).  I really hope she doesn't come back for a very long time.

Date Posted: 4/21/2010 4:16 PM ET
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I definitely need to sign up for cable again so I can watch it. I just finished Season 4 in a marathon session (Netflix has the most recent Seasons 1-4 plus the whole Torchwood series available for instant viewing).  No way I'm going to be able to wait for the DVD of Season 5, especialy if Dr. River Song and the Weeping Angels make an appearance.

Date Posted: 4/21/2010 4:23 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/21/2010 11:04 PM ET
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I can't wait to see the angels again.  That was the only episode I saved over and over on my old DVR every time I cleaned it all off, I even deleted my favorite Stargate episodes.  And then I had to get a new DVR when we upgraded so now I don't have it saved anymore!!  But I missed the new series start, I have BBC America, I'll check the listing and hope it's being replayed.  I even had the old DVR recording all instances of Dr. Who so I wouldn't miss the new ones and it kept filling up with the repeats and marathons.  I'm an Tom Baker fan too (thank you PBS, 1980s).  But as long as the story arc is maintained, I know I'll be right in line with all the other fans...

Date Posted: 4/22/2010 3:54 AM ET
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Linda, you're in luck: they'll be replaying the first episode just before the second, starting at 8 p.m. eastern this Saturday.

I'd never seen the first Tennant episode, and we just watched it tonight.  It helped me gain an even greater appreciation of the eleventh Doctor's first episode, which wasn't necessarily as good, but definitely paid it's respects to the tenth doctor's first endeavor.  So many running gags and inside jokes and whatnot, it's hard to keep up, even if you have seen quite a lot of episodes.  I presume one would need to see the entire run, from the very first episode back in the sixties, but that's quite a lot of episodes!  I've decided, from this moment on, that the Doctor is by far the greatest of all Superheroes...Superman may be able to fly, with the super strength and x-ray vision, but can he live to 900 years and see all of time and space, all with such a cheeky attitude?  I'm totally in touch with my inner child, and without a doubt the Doctor IS the man (though that line did suck a tad, yeah?)

Date Posted: 4/23/2010 8:47 PM ET
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Thanks, James, I have both set to record!!

I too would love to see the old episodes with the orignal doctors, but IIRC the tape/film was not saved so there are only scattered parts and pieces available.  Although going back to the old ones wouldn't be the same, I don't know if the 'magic' would be there.  Sometimes even the Tom Baker episodes are hard to watch again.  It's not like reading an old book, it's rare a book feels dated, but old shows seem to.  I used to love Star Trek, both the TOS and TNG and except for a few minutes here and there (just to identify the episode, if I catch it channel surfing) I really can't watch them anymore.  I even tried to watch Space 1999 since my memories of it were so great but I just couldn't sit through it since it was so '70s'.  Now, I think SF movies from the 50s are great too, but I don't experience the dated feeling, since they're campy and older than me and don't make me feel nostalgia, like the others do.

Date Posted: 4/24/2010 8:25 AM ET
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I too would love to see the old episodes with the orignal doctors, but IIRC the tape/film was not saved so there are only scattered parts and pieces available.  Although going back to the old ones wouldn't be the same, I don't know if the 'magic' would be there.

Some are unavailable, some are not.  Most are available on DVD, and Netflix has a lot of them available for instant viewing.  For example, the first serial "An Unearthly Child" is available in its entirety.

Wikipedia his a list of all the serials, and it notes which are missing.  It looks like most of the missing stories are from the time of the Second Doctor.



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Date Posted: 5/5/2010 11:22 AM ET
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So now that a few more episodes have aired, what does everyone think?  I've been so far impressed by 11, but I LOVE Amy Pond, and I can't wait to see how her story pans out.

And Luvhilndr, glad to see I'm not the only one who is still upset about Children of Earth.

Date Posted: 5/6/2010 12:53 PM ET
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The Dalek episode was boring. :(  I've heard that the Stone Angels episodes are not as scary as Blink, so I'll be watching them both in a row, in broad daylight.

Date Posted: 5/6/2010 8:48 PM ET
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I thought the Dalek episode was pretty bad, though I liked the way the Doctor essentially relied on psychology to save the day.  When the Daleks came out in different colors, my brother called them the "Mighty Morphin' Power Daleks" and started singing the Power Rangers' theme song.  Apparently the different colors represent different roles in Dalek society.  It was impressive to realize that these are the first pure-blooded Daleks since the late 60's (if I understand correctly). 

In my circle, we're all absolutely in love with Amy Pond.  I prefer when the Doctor calls her Amelia Pond, it really IS a fairy tale name lol.  It's not just the lilt, or even the feisty attitude, we're just suckers for a redhead rofl  From what I've read she'll really impress all of us at the end of the second Weeping Angels episode.  There's also supposed to be a LOT about River Song, and while not every fan of the show cares for that particular story line I think it's brilliant.  In what other situation has the Doctor not only been so helplessly uninformed, but also had that fact lorded over him by someone who does know; the fact that their relationship is happening backwards, as her past and his future, makes for intriguing time-travel themed plotting on a personal level we don't normally get. 

I kind of see these first 5 or 6 episodes as establishing the new character, writer, and series; I feel like we grew accustomed enough to the 10th Doctor, and eventually we just take the premise for granted.  But having a new Doctor after what might be referred to as a relatively long time, we need some time ease into things, or at least I hope that's the idea.  He still can't land anywhere on time, and he still misses things he should have noticed sooner.  Hopefully those don't become permanent characteristics.  I like the way he struggles with himself, but I'm a fan of existentialist fiction, so even if it's just a tiny facet of the new incarnation I'm pleased.  And at least he stopped saying Geronimo...I even read it in an interview about one of the upcoming episodes, "He won't be saying Geronimo" lol

Date Posted: 5/10/2010 9:22 PM ET
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Loved the first two episodes, but the Dalek episode just didn't work for me.  I have fairly strong suspenders to hold my disbelief for the Doctor's sake, but they snapped during that story.   The worst part is that the story itself seemed rushed - it was really a transitional story, setting up future events.  As far as the colored Daleks, they brought out the "Teletubbies" song for me.

But not every episode can be a winner, and I loved the first Angels episode.   I thought it was a good follow on to Blink, and I was worried it would be a let down.   And personally I like River - the Doctor needs someone to take him down a peg or two sometimes.   It is also interesting that he already knows how their story ends - basically, he got the hard part over first, so really she's the perfect match for him. 

And I love Amy too.   Her back story is really interesting, and I love the way everyone in the village already knows all about the Doctor.



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Date Posted: 5/12/2010 6:56 AM ET
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Has anybody here seen Secret Diary of a Call Girl?  I watched the first season this week (while avoiding the Stone Angels episode for the time being) and it was really funny to see Rose in bed with the 11th Doctor. :P

Date Posted: 6/16/2010 7:35 PM ET
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I just can't get into the new Doctor.  I'm giving it every chance, but he's just so hyper, it throws me off.  Less angsty and contemplative than the David Tennant version, and more puppy like, running back and forth like he's not quite sure what he's doing at any given moment.  Emily Pond was starting to grow on me at first, but then she started seeming just as flighty.  Like she was just trying to hard to be plucky, or something. I really hope something better comes of it than the few episodes I've seen so far.

Date Posted: 6/20/2010 6:03 PM ET
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After last night's episode, I wonder if/how much opinions have changed.  I won't give it away, but I think it was definitely a turning point for this season, as well as the whole history of Dr. Who.  Personally, while a bit shocked and quite sad, I think I can look forward to a really exciting and enthralling conclusion to the season.

Subject: Vincent & Rory
Date Posted: 7/2/2010 11:40 AM ET
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Don't know the name, but the episode about Vincent - I loved loved loved this episode. 

 

Rory left the engagement ring in the TARDIS,  I wonder how long until Amy finds it.

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Dr. Who is definitely on my "TV I must watch" list.

Date Posted: 7/27/2010 7:59 PM ET
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Rather than start a whole new thread, I just modified the subject line of this one.  Did anyone else manage to watch all the way through the whole season?  There were definitely less-than-perfect moments, but each Doctor's had those (like Tennant up against the little girl's doodles in his first season: ick).  I was completely blown away by the last two episodes of this latest season, though.  Without giving too much away, I thought they managed to bring out the best of this Doctor's weirdness while at the same time recalling his tremendous power as a Time Lord, including the power that his companions and friends represent.  The resolution at the end of the last episode was so brilliant I've gotten goosebumps and misty-eyed each time I've watched it.  Just fantastic writing, unique under Moffat and yet totally in line with the overal scope of the series.