Discussion Forums - Questions about PaperBackSwap Questions about PaperBackSwap

Topic: 1st Class Book in USPS Priority Envelope

Club rule - Please, if you cannot be courteous and respectful, do not post in this forum.
Page:   Unlock Forum posting with Annual Membership.
Subject: 1st Class Book in USPS Priority Envelope
Date Posted: 12/23/2016 1:39 PM ET
Member Since: 4/16/2009
Posts: 53
Back To Top

I just received a book wrapped in New Priority Tyvek Envelope, folded & disguised then shipped First Class.  Is there a way to report the sender for misuse of USPS materials? 

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 1:56 PM ET
Member Since: 8/19/2007
Posts: 4,256
Back To Top

There's not much that can be done, except letting the sender know that it's a 'no-no' and if they happen to get caught doing that in the future, they'll be charged the full Priority Mail rate.

Postal Service got smart on their Priority Rate boxes several years ago and started printing "Priority Mail" on both the outside and inside of the box, so that people who had been turning the boxes inside out couldn't do it anymore. Maybe the Postal Service will start doing that with their envelopes also.

 

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 2:39 PM ET
Member Since: 6/30/2008
Posts: 2,758
Back To Top

If you still have the package you could probably take it to your po and let them look at it. They can decide whether to do anything.

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 6:40 PM ET
Member Since: 5/16/2008
Posts: 2,154
Back To Top

I'm kind of wondering at your reasoning here. Why are you racing so fast and hard to "expose" someone? I see this as reuse of materials. Did they pay first class rates yet expect it to ship priority? It doesn't sound like it. Maybe the person got something priority then saved the envelope to ship your book? Are you upset you got something first class rather than waited for media mail? I used to ship to someone here pretty regularly who told me my bubble mailers came in such good shape that she always reused them. The PO gives packing materials away for free - even ships them to your door. I used a ton of boxes when I moved. I just don't see how this is "misuse." Do you know they didn't buy the envelopes? Is the correct postage on there? Then perhaps no big rush to "get someone in trouble."

ETA: I buy all my poly and bubble book mailers on eBay. I just don't have it in me to reuse because I'm too busy to take care ripping open the envelopes. Once it leaves my hands into the mailbox, do I care if someone "gets it free"? Nope.



Last Edited on: 12/23/16 6:42 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 12/23/2016 7:03 PM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2007
Posts: 4,979
Back To Top

I personally wouldn't even consider reporting the sender. 

1. I have way more important things to spend my time on. 

2.  You're assuming that the materials are new and not reused.

3.  You're assuming that the sender had malicious intent. Why do that? Why not give them the benefit of the doubt?

I have a family member who  works for the USPS and sent me a priority mail package. Inside, the fragile contents were wrapped in priority mail wrappers. They were used, but still in pristine condition when I removed the contents.  And honestly, were it not for the forums here, I never would've even thought it would be a problem to reuse them, since they had already been used for their stated purpose. So instead of trying to report the sender, maybe give them the benefit of the doubt? Or if it bothers you that much, maybe send a PM thanking them for the book but politely letting them know that you're concerned that if the USPS sees that they've reused priority mail materials they may get charged the full priority mail fee. Why the need to take it any further?

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 7:37 PM ET
Member Since: 9/8/2009
Posts: 615
Back To Top

Sure, you can report the offender by using the "contact us" link at the bottom of this page.  The question to my mind is, why would you?  In the grand scheme of things, is it really worth your time and effort to report it?  Respectfully, it seems pretty petty. 

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 7:41 PM ET
Member Since: 4/25/2007
Posts: 11,496
Back To Top

Even if the packaging is re-used, it still has to be shipped Priority Mail.  The PO makes no distinction between new and used Priority Mail materials.

The packaging is provided to people free of charge but only to be used for Priority Mail.  If people mis-use it like this, than it won't be free or even available anymore.

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 9:52 PM ET
Member Since: 5/7/2009
Posts: 793
Back To Top

It is up to USPS to police themselves not up to us to do their police work for them if it actually causes no harm to anyone IMHO.  Now if you found a bomb or anthrax in the package that would be another matter completely.

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 7:48 AM ET
Member Since: 2/13/2007
Posts: 2,270
Back To Top

Just to be the devil's advocate, if the post office had realized it was sent in priority wrapping, the book could have arrived postage due, requiring you to pay the difference between media and priority...then it does become your problem. I wouldn't report them but I would let them know that using priority wrappings could have repercussions for you.

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 7:52 AM ET
Member Since: 4/16/2009
Posts: 53
Back To Top

Thanks, a few of you misread my op:   I said "NEW Priority Tyvek Envelope, folded & DISGUISED ...".  And, on the envelope sender blacked out with marker, it states "This package is the property of the US Postal Service and is provided solely for use in sending Priority Mail shipments.  Misuse may be a violation of federal law." 

I will message the sender with same info, maybe he just didn't know.  However, since he blacked out the misuse words I have to believe he read them or he wouldn't have blacked them out.  Clearly some don't care, but I am tired of misuse of USPS materials, which leads to price increases and possibly discontinuance of free materials.  While small time, I do have a "horse in the race", spend an average of $50 week at USPS and cringe at every increase.   

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 8:16 AM ET
Member Since: 9/25/2008
Posts: 3,822
Back To Top

I've taken the packaging back to the post office. Hopefully they follow through and charge the person breaking the law. It is very clear that the materials can only be used for priority or express mail. I also note it when I mark the book received so that there is a record on the PBS account.

 

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 11:08 AM ET
Member Since: 6/30/2008
Posts: 2,758
Back To Top

I think you should report it. If somebody did something wrong there is nothing gained by trying to figure a way to ignore it.

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 11:25 AM ET
Member Since: 5/7/2009
Posts: 793
Back To Top

True but if you see someone speeding do you immediately get on the cell phone and alert highway patrol?

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 12:02 PM ET
Member Since: 4/16/2009
Posts: 53
Back To Top

"... if you see someone speeding do you immediately get on the cell phone and alert highway patrol?"

Yes, if it might prevent an accident somewhere down the road. 

 

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 1:23 PM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2007
Posts: 4,979
Back To Top

Wow. So do you pull over to the side of the road and call to report every speeder, every driver talking on their phone while driving, every time someone changes lanes without signaling, etc.? Holy cow. 

Here's a tip: it's not your job to enforce traffic (or postal) laws and regulations. Leave that to law enforcement (and the postal inspector). This tip--that you are not law enforcement--as it pertains to traffic laws, was actually forwarded to all employees of my Fortune 500 company as a way to stay safe and avoid a traffic incident. Because you talking on your phone--or being a distraction yourself while pulled to the side of the road, assuming you chose not to be a hypocrite--can cause an accident just as much if not more than the speeder. 

 

 

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 1:31 PM ET
Member Since: 8/19/2007
Posts: 4,256
Back To Top

For anyone who cares - if you purchased an envelope or box from the USPS, you can reuse it as many times as you want. You just cannot use the Priority mail boxes or envelopes for anything other than priority mail.

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 3:18 PM ET
Member Since: 6/30/2008
Posts: 2,758
Back To Top

Sheryl let me tell you something you may not have considered. It is not your job to tell me what to do with regard to what is right or wrong. My conscience takes care of that without any help from you. I don't know how we got started with speeding cars but this thread is about somebody breaking the law with regard to priority materials. You have a different opinion about what to do about it. Can't we leave it at that without attacking those of us who have a different opinion from you.

Date Posted: 12/24/2016 11:10 PM ET
Member Since: 5/7/2009
Posts: 793
Back To Top

Charles I don't think any of us who thought that it should just be let go meant to be telling anyone to go against their conscience.  We were just stating our opinion.  Our job isn't to police.  I am a retired pharmacist and have a strong sense of what is legal and what is not but if I turned in everyone I knew who "borrowed" a prescription tablet from a relative or friend over my years of practice we would need to hire a lot more law enforcement.  People are dying around the world this Christmas and using priority mail materials, maybe only once because the person didn't have anything else to use and wanted to get their book out, maybe it was even a postal employee we don't know, seems like such a minor thing in the scheme of things.  Maybe because I'm older and have seen a lot but it just seems there are many people who just want to get others in trouble and probably have some minor infractions of their own.  That really bothers me.

Date Posted: 12/25/2016 8:05 AM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2007
Posts: 4,979
Back To Top

Charles, my reply was directed at Penny's post immediately above mine.  I't seems to have hit a nerve with you too but it was not aimed at you.

 

 This excerpt from Theresa's post sums it up perfectly: it just seems there are many people who just want to get others in trouble and probably have some minor infractions of their own.  That really bothers me.

 

Date Posted: 12/26/2016 12:18 AM ET
Member Since: 5/25/2009
Posts: 599
Back To Top

It would be good to message the sender to make sure they understand that you were lucky not to receive the package postage due. If they printed their postage online, first class packages (printed online) are now subject to inspection, so it could have been opened. 

Should you report it to your PO? Nah. The Postal Inspectors normally don't get involved in that sort of thing unless it's on a large scale. 

Date Posted: 12/27/2016 6:04 PM ET
Member Since: 8/19/2007
Posts: 4,256
Back To Top

I checked with my Postal people today and the Postal Service is the one who messed up. They should have caught it at the Sender's end and sent it back to them, or when it was missed there they should have charged the requester "Postage Due" when they delivered it. Of course, the requester does/did have the option of refusing it when/if  postage due was mentioned.  So, my postal contact said the requester was the winner here.

Also, as I stated above, there's nothing the Postal Service will/can do at this point.  Pat

Date Posted: 12/27/2016 6:13 PM ET
Member Since: 3/25/2014
Posts: 2,793
Back To Top

Pat, Thank you for taking the time to get the info from Post Office workers and explaining to us here in the forums.  

Date Posted: 12/27/2016 8:47 PM ET
Member Since: 8/19/2007
Posts: 4,256
Back To Top

Valerie - Thanks. 

Date Posted: 12/29/2016 3:14 PM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
Posts: 14,177
Back To Top

1. The cost of (free) Priority Mail packaging is included in Priority Mail postage.  So people who take them to use for other purposes (esp. new) are NOT paying for them and thus increasing the cost for paying customers.  If you are taking/using them for anything other than Priority Mail you are stealing.

2.  If USPS detects PM packing enroute, the package will arrive postage due (5 to 10 dollars).

3. Recycling is a lovely thing, and many PBS members re-use mailing materials.  But Priority Mail are only re-usable for Priority Mail rates.

I have reported an e-bay seller that used brand new priority mail boxes inside unmarked tyvek envelopes.  My local post office said they would check on it and accepted the wrappers when I brought them in.  Not right to seal packaging to mail your (for profit) packages.

Date Posted: 12/31/2016 9:21 PM ET
Member Since: 4/28/2009
Posts: 9,637
Back To Top

Exactly, Denise........

 

Page: