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Subject: 2 Questions: what's the big secret & no books on shelf
Date Posted: 8/26/2011 5:31 AM ET
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Why do people hide either the # of books they've received, or sent, or both?  What's the big secret?

 

Also, why do some people have a huge wishlist, but zero books on their bookshelf?  It's a swapping community, right?  Not a store?

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 6:26 AM ET
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Why do people hide either the # of books they've received, or sent, or both?  What's the big secret?

Well, having them private is the site default. So, many people simply do not know to change it. That covers why most members have it private. Other members like to keep it private because in the past they might have received requests for free credits from people who think they have lots to spare, and they ought to be willing to give them away for free.

Also, why do some people have a huge wishlist, but zero books on their bookshelf?  It's a swapping community, right?  Not a store?

There are members who only post Wish Listed books (and post them frequently), but don't maintain a bookshelf. There are members who have accumulated a lot of credits, and don't need to maintain a bookshelf. There are members who have accumulated a large pile of To-Be-Read books, and have slowed down trading until they make a dent in their pile.

Lots of reasons!

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 7:12 AM ET
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I'm one of those folks with a giant, honkin' wish list - and a bookshelf with only 15 titles on it. When I run low on credits, I go through my stack of of books and see what ones I can bear to part with. 99% of the time, these are wish listed books and never actualy make it to my bookshelf.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 7:57 AM ET
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Yeah, I've never understood that either.  Or why people will join a weather/disaster discussion and not share where they live, even their state!

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 8:18 AM ET
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Why do people hide either the # of books they've received, or sent, or both?  What's the big secret?

I just don't think it's anyone's business other than my own, how many books I've "bought" and "sold", persay.   I liken it to me also listing in my PBS siggy how much I spending on gas every month, and how much am I spending on restaurants and any other private finacial info about me.  When I go to amazon I don't list how many purchases and dollars spent I've made over lifetime there in my siggy or profile.

 If anyone else wants to show that info on how many books they gotten or swapped, that's great.  But I don't feel comfortable sharing that info with everyone else and don't feel the need to let everyone else know how much money I've "saved".

 


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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 8:21 AM ET
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I'm one of the ones with a pretty big wishlist but non-existant shelf.  I primarily post WL books and participate in games (or ones with no copies) as I'm not excited about having a bunch of clutter hanging around for months on end.  Anything not wishlisted or heavily posted gets donated to the local library for their semi-annual sales. 

 

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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 9:18 AM ET
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Not sure if my account would look that way, but I keep my shelf on Vacation Hold while maintaining a large WL.  I have 100s of books on my shelf, but I only turn it on once every 2 months for ~1 week. I mail out 15 books or so all at once and then turn it back off.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 9:40 AM ET
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I'm another one without  much of a bookshelf.  I post mostly WL books as I need credits.  My WL is always maxed out.  Most of the time my bookshelf is on vacation.   Simply because I want to control how many books I have coming and going. When I first joined I earned over 100 credits quickly.  I rarely had more than 10 or 20 books on my shelf.  I just didn't need to keep a large bookshelf to earn credits. ( I still regularly mail out 5-10 books a month it's just usually WL books).



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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 10:06 AM ET
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"There are members who have accumulated a lot of credits, and don't need to maintain a bookshelf."

Or don't want to, because they have sunk ($2 times the number of credits they have) in postage and don't want to spend any more until they get some books back.  This is especially true if their wishlist is mostly less common books.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 11:36 AM ET
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Yeah, all good reasons.

For me, I don't have a book shelf right now because I tend to post in WL batches. Lately, I've gone to mainly picking up ebooks, and have had to get rid of a lot of my physical books because of lack of space. What I do have I'm either in the mood to keep or save to send to my son and nephew in the military. And it's nice not having to run to the P.O. when I'm not in the mood.

And while I've got a medium sized WL, many are duplicates, and since I haven't gotten a WL in ages, only having a couple of credits in the account is more than enough. I know where to buy credits if I do have a bunch come in. And I'm not holding my breath they'll come in anyway. They're older, not very popular books to start with.

And another reason I don't feel any need to share my private info is that isn't anyone's business. I got tired early on of people carping about how many books other people had on their WL, (especially when it was unlimited) how many trades someone had, how their ratio of received/sent books was 'wrong' or meant they were a hoarder, or book seller or that they were keeping books too long when they were supposed to read and 'reshare' ASAP to keep the books flowing. How having a lot of credits was slowing the site down because credits were meant to be sent... Ugh.

It's amazing how some people love to judge what other people are doing based on information they don't need to make a sucessful trade. That, and I never know when the site will make changes and stuff I thought was only available to members would then be searchable on Google and we members don't find out until after it's done. (How many people are aware that only certain forums are closed to members only?) Been there, done that already.

When making a trade, I'm only interested in the book and it meeting guidlines. I don't care about the senders location, their trade history, or their WL. I never read profiles before I order. I have signtures turned off so will never see notes or offers in those. (In the early days of HUGE posts because of endless sig lines and blinkies, turning signatures off was a blessing. I can't generate any interest in turning it back on.)

I sometimes do check senders bookshelf to see if there's something else I might want, and if someone orders something from me I might check out their WL to see if I have another book to pull out of a pile and send, but don't really care if they're not listed. One trade at a time is good. I've had many, many happy trades by just ordering and letting the site do it's work. I don't think people need any more information than that to have a good experience here.



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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 11:37 AM ET
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Why do people hide either the # of books they've received, or sent, or both?  What's the big secret? 

Either they don't know to change it, don't think it's anyone's business, or they just don't want to open themselves up to commentary. Unfortunately, there have been cases in the past of those who send a lot more than they receive being asked for credits because the numbers make it seem that they have lots of extra credits and apparently should be willing to just give them out to whoever asks. In the reverse, there have been cases where people who have received more than they've sent have been accused of being bad members and "taking" more from the club than they've put in. In my case, for instance, I replaced a lot of books I lost in our house fire using PBS. I don't ever want to be randomly questioned about why my numbers are so unequal. So, they're set to private because it's my business and nobody else's. Plus, as Mindy said, there's something to be said for the amount of money you've spent being a private matter, among other things. I could just as easily ask why so many members feel they have an absolute need to know how many books other members have sent and/or received. It's a bit like claiming you have an absolute need to know a stranger's credit card balance. If they want to share, fine, but it is not your (general) right to know and is really none of your business. Not knowing does you no harm, so I don't see why another person's right to privacy should be questioned so often. Yet, this exact question gets posted in the forums at least once a month or so.

Also, why do some people have a huge wishlist, but zero books on their bookshelf?  It's a swapping community, right?  Not a store? 

As others have said, many people trade almost exclusively in wish list books. I didn't plan it that way, but that's how it works out for me a lot of the time. So, my shelf stays pretty small. I just read what I want, without checking its status. It's just luck that the book often ends up being wish listed or one of a few posted copies that gets requested very quickly. Though my very full wish list is basically on hold right now, since I need to limit my incoming books, due to being completely out of space for them. I need to read and mail a bunch more before I can request anymore.

Also, you may not realize it, but you reveal your own personal bias in this question, and lead me to wonder if you may be one of the people who would feel justified in questioning those that have received more than they've sent, despite knowing nothing of their circumstances.

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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 12:09 PM ET
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Also, you may not realize it, but you reveal your own personal bias in this question, and lead me to wonder if you may be one of the people who would feel justified in questioning those that have received more than they've sent, despite knowing nothing of their circumstances.

Tiffany, I don't necessarily believe this myself!  I also like to have that information displayed, although I admit I rarely ever check it out when I'm doing swaps.  I just look at it when I happen to be looking at someone's profile, as I'm just curious as to how many books they've cycled through. And often I'm answering a question in my capacity as a Tour Guide when I'm looking at  the profile, and the numbers help me to gauge how active in the club the member is, and that can help me shape my reply.  (If I know I'm responding to someone new or apparently not very active on the site, I tend to spell things out a little more and not take for granted that they know as much about the site as I do, a longtime active participant.)

She may have been revealing her personal preferences (to see the information) but her own biases?  as a questioner/judgmental member?   That's a bit of a reach to come to that conclusion, IMO.



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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 1:18 PM ET
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Or why people will join a weather/disaster discussion and not share where they live, even their state!

I get a little general, but I'm not wanting to share too much.  We've had two stalkers affect people in our family with some awful consequences, so I don't like to give out more information than I have to.  I don't even around my home town.  There are some darn scary normal looking people around.

A beloved member of our online community even had to erase her posts on here because of a stalker.  I don't know the particulars but the general knowledge that it could happen to someone like her was enough to leave my account stuff except for the bookshelf on private.  I have to admit I do enjoy the profiles, but I haven't gotten beyond the nerves from the past to post one of my own.  We'll see.  I don't think we should get upset over those who don't want people to see their account.   Their account is theirs to do what they wish with it.  I might get the one book I dearly wanted from a person who has sent out only two books.  Or someone who has sent out several hundred from their big pile of backlog books and only ordered a couple to fill in series.  I am just so tickled that the person sent the book I needed! It is interesting the answers to the question about no books on bookshelf and wishes.  I didn't know how that worked, but it makes perfect sense. 

Actually, this site to me is like a cool used bookstore I know but don't get to visit much.  Relaxed.  Couches, free coffee, Tons of used books.  People bringing in books.  People taking out books.  So, I guess it really is a kind of store. 

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 1:30 PM ET
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Also, you may not realize it, but you reveal your own personal bias in this question

see, now, I thought she was revealing her idle curiosity, not her personal bias.

Not knowing does you no harm, so I don't see why another person's right to privacy should be questioned so often. Yet, this exact question gets posted in the forums at least once a month or so.

So ... remember, even though you might be answering this question once a month .. .each person asking the question has only done so once. You may feel like it is a talked out topic ... but to the people asking the questions, it is a new and interesting thing to ask.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 2:04 PM ET
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I was actually referring to the "Not a store?" part of the question when I made my comment. It actually does reflect a type of bias when someone would refer to someone treating PBS as a "store" if they happen to not have a big bookshelf but a lot of books on their wish list. It's an unconcious choice of phrasing that seems (to me) to reflect a personal opinion the person has about people who receive more books than they send. If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry. But, I called it as I read it. When someone asks if it's a swapping community here and not a store, it does say something about how they view things.

I do the same thing you do Sianeka. But, it doesn't stop me from wondering when I do sometimes see the same exact people question this same exact thing, which I have seen happen. Usually the people are different, which is good, but not always. It seems some people just don't want to admit that what someone chooses to make private is their decision to make. There aren't any "secrets," just a whole lot of privacy and other concerns.

I'm sorry that this is a touchy subject for me sometimes. But, in the past, I've actually more than once via PM been called a bad member who is being dishonest and untrustworthy for having my sending and receiving numbers set to private. But, if I make them public, I need to hear commentary and insults about the numbers. There's really no way to win, but at least this way I know the numbers are my business alone. So, I really do just wish that more people would just accept that members want their settings the way they are, and feel less need to comment on or question those decisions, since many do tend to go beyond curiousity and morph into that. More than one of these threads has taken that path in the past.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 2:30 PM ET
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It is super weird to me that people would care that much to PM someone and accuse them of anything for not having their numbers public. I don't know if mine are or not, but I assume not based on this thread. I also was surprised to hear that someone would have expectations of another member based on those numbers if they are public. I have a pretty decent sized book shelf, but they are older books that have tons of them in the system, so I rarely get requests. As a result, I've purchased credits so I can get books that I want. I would never have thought that someone would consider me a bad member of PBS because I receive more than I send. Wouldn't the money that I contribute to the site by purchasing credits increase my "value"?

It feels like people make things a lot more complicated than they need to be.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 3:06 PM ET
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I've seen folks get trashed when their numbers are unequal.  And that mean spiritedness makes me cringe.  Yes.  Some of us ship more books.  Some of us give credits to family.  Some of us use all our credits to order music CDs or DVDs for the kids.  Some of us buy credits.  All good.  I want that positive sharing quality on PBS.

Although I do check the credit charts when I go to buy credits in the BB.  Want to check that the member has been around and active enough that I can trust the deal.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 4:00 PM ET
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My received books are more than my sent books. I received a PM once where someone accused me of not maintaining the spirit of the site.

It's not really their business what I do, but I don't care enough to make it private.



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Date Posted: 8/26/2011 4:09 PM ET
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Emily brought up a good point.  If I saw that someone had received way more than they have shipped, I would assume that person has bought extra credits either from PBS or from other members.  Either way, all members benefit.  It's never even occurred to me to look at anyone's profile (including my own!) to compare "sent" to "received".  Why would anyone even care about that??

MaryF

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 4:43 PM ET
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People have been accused of hoarding credits. Or selling books based on those numbers. But the numbers do not tell the whole story.
Date Posted: 8/26/2011 4:51 PM ET
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What does "hoarding credits" even mean?? What difference does it make to me how many credits someone else has? It's not like someone else having ten thousand credits means that I have to have fewer. If I want more, I can list more books that people want or I can buy some.

People are WEIRD.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 6:17 PM ET
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People think the credits should be spent.  That "hoarding" credits means less books are getting ordered keeping them from earning credits themselves.  I used to "hoard" credits.  For a long time I rarely had less than 50.  I did order books but I wasn't going to spend them all on books that are easy to get just about anywhere for less than a credit (Nora Roberts, James Patterson, Grisham, Dan Brown etc..,) just to spend my credits.

I can't afford to tie up that much  money in postage so now I only keep 5-10 on hand.

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 6:56 PM ET
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But who is to say you would even order what I have? And if the idea is that you are keeping another person from getting that credit who would then buy mine, that is just as silly. If someone wants your book bad enough, they will get a credit. So silly.
Date Posted: 8/26/2011 7:09 PM ET
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Exactly.  But people were indeed harassed by others for seeming to have too many credits.

There were a few who were harassed for the opposite-ordering more books then they sent.  Being accused of buying credits to get books to sell or stock their collections.  That they were hurting the club by buying credits.  Personally I think if you buy credits from another member who has more than they can use-no big deal.  A book was still sent to cover the credit.  Does it really matter who spends the credit?

Date Posted: 8/26/2011 8:20 PM ET
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