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Subject: 2013 SF Challenge /DISCUSS /December 2012
Date Posted: 11/25/2012 9:44 PM ET
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What do you think?



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Date Posted: 11/26/2012 9:55 AM ET
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I'm doing both challenges this year and appreciate both very much.  I've only been posting in one thread though.  I have 5 left for the full 2012 challenge, one of which, I'm reading now.  I'm also going to use that book for the 4th quarter challenge, of which I have 4 slots left.  I think that will be the last one I will be able to use in both challenges.

Tom, do you have something in particular that you'd like to do next year?

Brad -
Date Posted: 11/26/2012 2:25 PM ET
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I haven't been doing the quarterly one at all.  I guess I like the format of the other one better, but there's been almost zero posting about that one so I don't know if people aren't working on that one or just aren't posting.  Not sure what my feelings are for 2013.

Date Posted: 11/26/2012 8:45 PM ET
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I'm up for whichever format gets written.

I like the quarterly format a little better - it seems less imposing somehow.  But looking at the full challenge, it looks like I've filled all but two or three of the categories anyhow, just by doing the quarterly challenges.  So, I guess the format doesn't matter too much in the great scheme of things.

Date Posted: 11/26/2012 10:33 PM ET
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I don't have any particular ideas at this point.  Just want to see where the interest is.

-Tom Hl.

Date Posted: 12/4/2012 4:02 PM ET
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I've been kind of AWOL from both challenges this year for personal reasons, and I don't know that I'll do much better next year, because I'm committing to working on my already-existing TBR, which has grown monstrous. However, I always like it when there are challenges and would probably try and see how that existing TBR fits into any challenge that gets created anyway.

I think overall I prefer a yearly challenge to a quarterly one though. I like having all the categories and all the time so I can pick and choose depending on my mood until right near the end of the year.

Subject: anyone else?
Date Posted: 12/11/2012 5:51 AM ET
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My workload has gone out of control, and it is becoming clear to me that I will not have time to prepare any challenges this month.  If anyone wants to step in that would be fine with me.

Subject: a proposal
Date Posted: 12/23/2012 3:18 PM ET
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We celebrate a little early, due to my wife's schedule during the actual Christmas holidays.  As a result, I am at a lull in my work, and the family aspects of the holidays are mostly behind me.  I see no one has stepped in yet, so let me make a proposal.

This would be a 40-category year-long challenge.  It has four sections of ten categories each, with sections for SUBGENRE (based on Full Spectrum 1Q12 challenge), AWARDS (based on Awards 3Q12 challenge), AUTHORS (based on authors section of earlyreader's 2012 challenge), and FIRSTS (based on Firsts 2Q2012 challenge).  This is for discussion right now, do not start posting reading lists based on this yet.

Whatever happens, I would strongly prefer to see one common challenge structure on the forum.

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January 1, 2013 through December 31, 2013
Number of categories: (Full: all 40,   Medium: 20; five from each,   Light: any 10,   Other...)
Re-reads: (None,   Any,   Limited to...)
Double-counts: (None,   One,   Limited to...)

SUBGENRE

#1 Hard Science Fiction - a particular emphasis on scientific detail and/or accuracy
#2 Soft/Social Science Fiction –concerned with speculation about society, while de-emphasizing the details of technological hardware and physical laws
#3 Space Opera - emphasizes romantic adventure, exotic settings, and larger-than-life characters
#4 Military Science Fiction - principal characters are members of a military service and an armed conflict is taking place, normally in space, or on a planet other than Earth
#5 Space Western - transposes themes of American Western books and film to a backdrop of futuristic space frontiers.
#6 Science Fantasy - a mixed genre of story which contains some science fiction and some fantasy elements
#7 Slipstream - literature with science fiction elements, but marketed as mainstream
#8 Alternate History - fiction set in a world in which history has diverged from history as it is generally known, can include Steampunk
#9 Time Travel - moving between different points in time in a manner analogous to moving between different points in space
#10 Science Fiction Mystery - fiction which has elements of both the science fiction and mystery genres

AWARDS

#11 a Nebula Award winning novel (or nominee, 2010 or later)
#12 a Hugo Award winning novel (or nominee, 2010 or later)
#13 a Locus Award winning novel (or nominee, 2010 or later)
#14: A James Tiptree, Jr. Award winner or short-listed work
#15: A Philip K. Dick Award winner or nominee
#16 a Prometheus Award winning novel or nominee
#17 a winning novel of a non-English-Language award
#18 a winning novel of an English-Language, but non-US award
#19 a multiple award winning novel (example: Hugo+Nebula)
#20 a best of the year anthology containing at least one award winning short work (example: Nebula anthologies)

AUTHORS

#21 Work written by a Grand Master
#22 Work written by a US writer
#23 Work written by a British writer
#24 Work written by a Canadian, Australian, or New  Zealand writer
#25 Work originally written in a non-English language
#26 Work written by a female writer
#27 Work written by a male writer
#29 Work written by a non-Caucasian author
#28 Work written the year you were half the age of your birthday this year
#30 Collection of stories, all by same author

FIRSTS

#31 First novel of a female writer
#32 First novel of a male writer
#33 First award winning novel of any writer
#34 A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2012
#35 A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year
#36 The first novel of a series
#37 First Contact
#38 First Artificial Intelligence
#39 First landing on the Moon or Mars
#40 First person narrative

 



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Brad -
Date Posted: 12/23/2012 8:16 PM ET
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This format I think would work for me. 

Date Posted: 12/24/2012 2:01 AM ET
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I have one suggestion...

Get rid of the "2010 or later" requirement on the awards challenge.  I've read all of the post-2010 sci-fi ones I'm interested in, so unless next year's nominees are fantastic, I won't have anything to read.

Date Posted: 12/24/2012 8:28 AM ET
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Thanks.

@Brad -  If anything looks like a problem please post here before the challenge gets launched.

@Melanti - I meant them to allow a winner from any year, or a nominee 2010 or later.  Would you like them changed to include any winner or nominee from any year? 

- Tom Hl.

Date Posted: 12/24/2012 10:25 AM ET
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Ah, that'll work.  Sorry, I didn't read that properly.

Date Posted: 12/25/2012 8:16 PM ET
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It looks a great challenge.  Thanks for setting it up!

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Date Posted: 12/25/2012 10:04 PM ET
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Thanks for setting this up Tom.  Thanks for the clarificaiton on the award winners as well.

Date Posted: 12/26/2012 11:52 AM ET
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#28 Work written the year you were half the age of your birthday this year

... ... 

That's the year I graduated from high school.  Wow, I'm getting old.  Time flies.  I like the modification, even if it does point out I've lived as much time since high school as I did up to graduation.

Thanks for setting up the challenge, Tom.

Subject: re-reads and double counts?
Date Posted: 12/26/2012 12:36 PM ET
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I've just found this thread.  What are the "rules" for re-reads and double counts?  Or is that a personal preference?

 

You see, I've got this pile of Heinlein juveniles that I've been thinking of re-reading :-)  Talk about Golden Age!

 

Subject: replies
Date Posted: 12/26/2012 1:38 PM ET
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@Melanti - "work written the year you were born" is a perfectly good category - and I found Asimov's The End of Eternity that way.  But it's been used for the past two challenges, and I thought it would be fun to call for a new bookhunt.

@Tom P. - Basically, you get to set your own rules for re-reads and double counts.  Personally, I allow myself re-reads if it has been over 25 years and no double-counts.

This is getting some attention now; I think it is time to actually launch the tracking thread.

-Tom Hl.

Subject: one last question - plan and post your list or...
Date Posted: 12/26/2012 1:46 PM ET
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Do most people plan and post their list at the beginning, or just fill in the books as they pick them and read them throughout the year?

Date Posted: 12/26/2012 2:17 PM ET
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@Tom H.   I thought it would be fun to call for a new bookhunt.

Yep, and it was on the Fantasy challenge in 2010 too, so that's 3 years in a row for those doing both challenges.  It's definitely time for a change.

Subject: answers
Date Posted: 12/26/2012 2:58 PM ET
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I just posted the tracking thread.  It should provide some more details.

@Tom P - Do most people plan and post their list at the beginning, or just fill in the books as they pick them and read them throughout the year?  I've seen both ways.  Personally, I post a planned read if it's something I am committing to, but mostly leave them blank until I actually read a book. 

-Tom Hl.



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Date Posted: 12/26/2012 4:12 PM ET
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Tom P. -- I do both.  If it's a category I will have no issues with reading (like a book by a male author), I probably won't list anything.  If it's a category that I only own 2 or 3 books that will fill it, I'll generally list them all.  Then, quite often, I'll read something completely different instead.    

But seeing my list there with categories filled out makes it more likely that I'll read something that I already own rather than go out and buy or borrow a new book.  Despite the current challenge, I still have a humongous TBR pile that I'm really trying to shrink.

 

Especially if it's something that might require research - like first novel, etc.  I'd rather just do the research once and list the books I find than have to do it several times.



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Date Posted: 12/26/2012 8:19 PM ET
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Tom-  I kind of do both myself.  At the start I fill in categories of books that I've really been wanting to read that I either already have on hand or books that are on my massive "must read" list.  Then I pencil in the rest from my must read list.  Then I revise when I see a new book that catches my eye or a book that I've already read for the challenge I'd rather be in a different category or remove a book completely and leave the category open.  My list gets revised over and over during the year (this year I had edited it over 100 times - largely with adding the color formatting).



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#28 Work written the year you were half the age of your birthday this year

I'm perplexed at this one (even more perplexed that appearently I still remember the word perplexed).  So I'm 37, does that mean I read a book that was written 18 years ago?

Subject: how to figure your year of half-age
Date Posted: 12/27/2012 9:18 AM ET
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Brad,

If you are 37 now, that means your birthday during 2013 will be your 38th.  Half of 38 is 19.  So a book from the year of your 19th birthday would be 1994.

But if you meant that you would be turning 37 during 2013, then half of 37 is 18.5.  Count to 6 months after your 18th birthday in 1994, and that date could fall into 1994 or 1995.  You go with that one year.

If you are one of those few people who will have an odd-numbered age, and the date 6 months after your birthday falls really close to the line between two years, you can choose to actually count the days (first half of the year has a couple fewer days than the second half, and it changes in leap years), or you can just go with the simple 6 month bump to your birthday.

-Tom Hl.



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