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Subject: 7 paragraphs of RC's - UPDATE
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 3:24 AM ET
Member Since: 9/2/2007
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Hi all-

I just had to mention this, I almost can't believe it.

Yesterday I got a WL request from someone with 7 - that's right, I said 7 - paragraphs of RC's.  Each paragraph was probably 3 sentences in length.  The list covered every possible aspect of a transaction, even requesting that "colorful stamps" be used instead of metered postage from the Post Office.  And even with all that detail, the person still requested an email advising on specific conditions of any hardcover book to see if they approved of it.

Thoughts?  Similar experiences?

Larry

 

UPDATE:  In case anyone's wondering, I did decline the request.  As politely as I could, I said it was simply because of the length of the RCs.  Regarding the "colorful stamps", they did say it was for stamp collecting purposes.  But since the requested book was a hardcover, quite a few stamps would have been needed.



Last Edited on: 8/1/10 2:06 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 3:32 AM ET
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Asking you to use colorful stamps? I would have turned it down just for that.



Last Edited on: 8/3/10 12:13 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 4:00 AM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2006
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If you're uncomfortable with an RC (and I can see how you would be with this one) just decline it.  If someone has an RC that make a lot of people uncomfortable, they may eventually decide to rethink their requirements or their wording, since they'll be missing out on a lot of books. 

You'll be asked to enter your reason for declining the RC.  I'd suggest being friendly, but still indicating why you are declining,

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 4:03 AM ET
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Wow! That is a lot for an RC! I would have been stunned when that popped up on the page. I don't even see what the type of stamp has to do with the book (condition, etc)??

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 6:26 AM ET
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Date Posted: 8/1/2010 7:51 AM ET
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I would love to see these!

 

Deny!

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 7:58 AM ET
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I wouldn't have even read the whole thing and just declined.  I don't auto decline all RCS but in my opinion if you need more than a couple of sentences for an RC you are too picky for a used book site.  The exception being the mandatory RCS for people with APO/FPO, Hawaii and Alaska address. 

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 8:03 AM ET
Member Since: 8/25/2007
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Are you serious?  Someone actually requested what type of postage be used??

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 8:20 AM ET
Member Since: 2/9/2010
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Stamp collecting is a wonderful hobby - it teaches children about history, geography and yes - even to read.  Perhaps this person uses the "colorful stamps" as donations to local stamp clubs for inclusion in free stamp packets.

It doesn't hurt to make the effort - even if it means hauling the whole mess to the post office.

Plus it is an RC - just deny it, let the next person in line deal with it if you are too busy, and get on with it.

Since I am a stamp collector/dealer I would make the effort on the stamps - can't say what I'd do about the rest of the RC, but it sounds ripe for declining!

 

wc

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 8:45 AM ET
Member Since: 8/6/2006
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I realize that every member has the "right" to have any RC they want to but come on, 7 paragraphs?  That's ridiculous!  If you've got issues with cat hair or cigarette smoke or just have to have a dust jacket, I feel ya.  But special stamps?  Bet they don't get many books from PBS!!!

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 10:49 AM ET
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Oh man, wish you copied/pasted so we all could have read it!  LOL!!

 

Colorful stamps is going over the top!!

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 11:18 AM ET
Member Since: 12/31/2009
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The person may be a stamp collector, but this is not really the place to ask for them. That request, with no further explanation, would just make zero sense to 99% of the people who read it.

And yes, please copy/paste the person's RCs here if you'd like. We like to chuckle and scratch our heads over the weirder requests. You never know... You may just win the "Strangest RC Ever" award!

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 11:26 AM ET
Member Since: 7/31/2007
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"Only because in the rules, it says you can NOT ask someone to contact you about the condition (cookbooks are different, I know)."

Not to hijack the thread but, perhaps the person that posted this could post a specific copy/reference from the help center.  I have never seen where you "cannot ask someone to contact you."

The specific comment I did find said, "should not" which is different from "Can Not"

"Your conditions should be easily interpretable and should NOT require (or ask for!) further clarification in Personal Messages."



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Date Posted: 8/1/2010 11:29 AM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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Remember, the sender will see exactly what you type! Choose your wording carefully: most senders err on the side of caution. A vague notation like "Nice books only" is not easily interpretable, and will probably result in a lot of your requests being declined.

  • Your Requestor Conditions should NOT ask the sender to "PM me if you are unsure"
    • There is no mechanism for the sender to PM the requestor from a request without accepting it
  • If you want the sender to communicate with you about the book, you should phrase this "If you are unsure whether or not your book meets these conditions, please ACCEPT this request and then send me a Personal Message about the book."
    • If the sender does this, though, YOU will need to cancel the request if you decide that the book does not meet your conditions.
      • The sender would have to repost the book after cancelling it, so if YOU ask the sender to contact you to discuss the book, YOU must be the one to cancel the request if the sender contacts you and you don't want the book.
      • The exceptions to the above are:
    1. a sender who accepts and then sends a message about an unpostable book
    2. a sender who accepts and sends a message about a book that clearly does not meet your Requestor Conditions (no further communication or clarification was needed)
    3. A sender who accepts and sends a message when your Conditions did not ask to be contacted to discuss your Conditions
  • To make this feature work properly, your Requestor Conditions should be
    • clear enough not to require any communication for clarification
    • applied ONLY to requests for books for which you have those conditions
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 11:29 AM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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The red and most of the bolding is from PBS. I only bolded the part where it says you should not ask people to PM. 

It was right there under the section on requestor conditions in the help docs.



Last Edited on: 8/1/10 11:30 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 11:43 AM ET
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I wonder how many books that person actually receives?

Subject: I don't understand this "requirement"
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 11:51 AM ET
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"The exception being the mandatory RCS for people with APO/FPO, Hawaii and Alaska address."

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 12:07 PM ET
Member Since: 6/4/2010
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If we are requesting colorful stamps...

I want to add pretty bookmarks to my RC.  You never know...I might get lucky.

I am sorry...I don't mean to pick fun at the person, I just can't believe that would be a request.  I know that there are a lot of sites dedicated to stamp swapping.  My children participate in Postcards swaps from all around the world.  I guess it does not hurt to make the request...just don't be surprised when you get refused books all the time. 

I would decline and send a polite note that the RC was a little overwhelming and that you would prefer to pass on the transaction. 

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 12:11 PM ET
Member Since: 4/25/2007
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John, when someone with an APO/FPO address requests a book, there are RCs set by the PBS team that appear with their request.  It's pretty long and involved and those members have no option to turn it off.  APO/FPO addresses may require a customs form which means going to the PO to mail the book.  The PBS team want to make sure members know this when accepting a request from someone in the military overseas.

hrooster - ,
Subject: But what has that to do with Hawaii and Alaska?
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 2:04 PM ET
Member Since: 1/19/2010
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"John, when someone with an APO/FPO address requests a book, there are RCs set by the PBS team that appear with their request.  It's pretty long and involved and those members have no option to turn it off.  APO/FPO addresses may require a customs form which means going to the PO to mail the book.  The PBS team want to make sure members know this when accepting a request from someone in the military overseas."

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 2:41 PM ET
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John, I have mailed books to both Alaska and Hawaii, and it wasn't any different than mailing to any other state.  I have also mailed to Puerto Rico and didn't need to fill out a customs form.  The APO/FPO addresses I've mailed to do require a customs form to be filled out when mailing to them.  The forms are easy to fill out, but they do require a trip to the post office to get the form. 

Sarah did a good job of explaining the mandatory RC for the members that have APO/FPO addresses, but (sorry to disagree with you Mary) I don't think there is a mandatory customs form to mail anywhere within our country.   

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 4:41 PM ET
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Most likely this person will get a lot of declines. I really hope a new member doesn't get it because they may be scared thinking they MUST accept the request or that all PBS members has such requirements.

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 5:10 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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I thought Hawaii and Alaska had mandatory RCS warnign that books might take longer to arrive.  I don't think I've ever mailed to either state. 

What I meant by my statement was that I do accept those long mandatory RCS for APO, FPO etc..,  I just don't read or accept the voluntary ones where people write a novella for a used book.

Subject: Colorful stamps
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 6:52 PM ET
Member Since: 11/18/2005
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I am one that I will do any reasonable RC. & papragraps is bit much, but i would have declined over the colorful stamps. I use PBS postage andI wouldn't make an exception for one person.



Last Edited on: 8/1/10 6:53 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/1/2010 7:38 PM ET
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Thanks -- I have never sent an APO/FPO book, but an RC-type message makes sense re: customs forms.

I have sent a book to HI, and there wasn't one, so I had wondered if that were new.

At SEVEN (7) paragraphs (items), I think the team needs to contact that member to discuss the matter, especially to explain that using stamps (over 13 oz)  is a hardship as opposed to electronic postage.

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