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Subject: ARC?
Date Posted: 9/24/2008 2:17 PM ET
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I have a copy of a heavily wish-listed book that I just posted. I was giving it another quick look-over when I noticed it said "Bound Galley" on the back cover. Is this an ARC? Should I remove it from my bookshelf?

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 2:21 PM ET
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Yes, it's an ARC, so you should remove it from your shelf. You can offer it as a freebie with an order of another book from your shelf.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 2:26 PM ET
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I can't remove it. It was wishlisted and now it says "waiting for member" I know I can cancel after the member orders it, but will it just go to the next person on the wishlist? There are nine of them! Is there any way to take it off now?

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 2:31 PM ET
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There is no way to remove it until someone accepts the offer.

Since I was totally unaware of what Bound galley meant and I would have overlooked it, I copied the following info about them from the net for those of us who don't know anything about them:

What Are Bound Galleys?
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A specific use pre-publication tool
Bound Galleys are often not the same size as the published book.
A Bound Galley is the pre-publication version of an upcoming published book that is a printed, perfect bound book. The cover of the Bound Galley is generally not the cover of the book to be published, but the Bound Galley cover contains information useful to marketing the book to reviewers, bookstore distributors and buyers. Comments from these reviewers are frequently printed on the back of the production (i.e. "bookstore") version of the book printed after the review stage. A Bound Galley may contain handwritten editorial marks. It may be missing photographs, illustrations, charts, and even text that will, however, eventually appear in the final finished edition.

Bound Galleys are often not the same size the published book will be. The size of a Bound Galley is based on printing economics. Usually they are 5 3/8" x 8 3/8" and frequently are 6" x 9". Other formatted Bound Galleys such as oblong bindings or odd sizes are available and are used. Bound Galleys are printed on specially designed printing presses. The physical appearance of the Bound Galley is distinctive, and reviewers can readily distinguish a Bound Galley from a finished book.

Bound Galleys are usually created from paper printing plates on duplicator-type printing equipment. Page paper is 50 lb white text stock printed in black ink. Covers are 65 lb color cover stock printed in black ink and perfect bound. Occasionally the covers are four-color and digitally printed on laminated 80 lb stock.

Run lengths are from 20 to 1,000 or more copies. Bound Galleys are also known as "Crane's," or Uncorrected Page Proofs, and/or Advance Reader Copies



Last Edited on: 9/24/08 4:59 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 9/24/2008 3:59 PM ET
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It would go to the next person on the list if the requestor canceled, but not if you do.  The system assumes that if the sender is canceling, it is because they don't have or can't send the book at all for some reason.  So don't worry, you will only have to cancel once.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 4:03 PM ET
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I almost bought a few highly requested books that were ARC's but remembered it was a waste of my money & time since they can't be listed.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 4:03 PM ET
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Just as an additional note, when you cancel it, as a nicety please PM the person it's being offered to explaining your error so that they know they can (possibly) get it from you still as an ARC with an order from your shelf.  That way, they won't have to continue to wait for another copy to be posted if they are wiling to accept an ARC in a freebie offer.  :)

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 4:39 PM ET
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Erin, where were you going to buy the ARC's?? Most ARC's, uncorrected proofs, etc. say right on them "not for resale" so they aren't supposed to be sold, even by used book stores. I get quite a few ARCs but I get them directly from publishers to review, and then I do offer them here as a 'freebie' with another order from my bookshelf--but I know when I accidentally put one of the ARCs into a bag of books I was trading at a UBS, they wouldn't even accept it.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 4:40 PM ET
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I work in NYC a few blocks from the big library on 42nd Street. There is a bookstore nearby that donates boxes of brand new books every Wednesday. As you can imagine, there is a mad scramble for them at the library book sale. They are a pretty good deal for the price ($1 for hardbacks, trade paperbacks are .75 and regular paperbacks are 3 for $1.

I usually try to grab up as much as I can and I sometimes get stuck with an ARC. (On the other hand, I was once able to get six copies of a book that had over a hundred people waiting for it so it all works out eventually.) I'm going to offer the book as a freebie whenever I'm able to get it off my bookshelf. Thanks again for the advice and thanks to you Melanie for the info on Bound Galleys.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 7:01 PM ET
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It's a UBS in a college town. I was talking to my husband about it earlier & how they're not suposed to.

Date Posted: 9/25/2008 8:24 AM ET
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My  local Salvation Army thrift store has some ARCs on their shelves...... I've almost bought one or two by mistake, but since I use the PBS mobile site to check for WL books  while I'm shopping, I have caught them before purchasing.

I really doubt that publishers would have a problem with a non-profit (library, Goodwill, Salvation Army) selling ARCs.  UBS sales are "for profit" enterprises, so I think that would be a different matter entirely.

Of course, I don't really know this for sure.  It just seems likely to me.

Date Posted: 9/25/2008 10:15 AM ET
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Thanks for the info!  I have never heard of a Bound Galley before!  :)

Date Posted: 9/25/2008 5:05 PM ET
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Goodwills & such are donation places. UBS' are people bringing in books for money or credit. They know they're not supposed to sell them.

Date Posted: 9/28/2008 3:17 AM ET
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I buy my ARCs from my FOL store for $2 each.  I know they are not tradeable on this site but there is another site that you can trade ARCs so I don't consider them to be a lost. 

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 8:29 AM ET
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I am not a reviewer and have never bought an ARC.  The ARC copies I have received have been contest prizes from the author.  I don't know why PBS is so tight about not allowing ARCs to be listed.  The book is not being SOLD...it is being TRADED.  Big difference.  As long as the listing clearly labels the book as a softcover ARC or bound galley, what is the problem?  It the person wishing the book doesn't want it as described, they can refuse it.  The next person in line might feel differently.  I have one right now that 7 people are wishing for and BTW, the book has already been published,  but because of the PBS listing guidelines I will probably list it for trade at TT where it doesn't seem to be a problem.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 8:53 AM ET
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I have seen ARCs at used book stores, off eBay, and even at FOL book sales.  Even if they are not supposed to be sold people will still try to make a buck ot two.