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Subject: Would you accept this RC
Date Posted: 8/31/2015 7:52 PM ET
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I just received a request for a book with this rc:

"Please don't send me a book you yourself would not want to receive.  I'm always honest when I send books out.  If the book has a flaw

I describe it's present condition BEFORE I mail it out.  No one likes unpleasant surprises." 

I think get what she or he is trying to do, they don't want a book a book with a problem.  But are they referring to a book that's more than a little worn or do they only want ones that look like new?  The one they are requesting looks great to me.  The only flaw I can see is the used book store marker mark across the top.  Is it just me or is this request really ambiguous?  The last couple books have had rc's and I've refused.  One was getting an old book from the 70's and didn't want old or aged books.  They then removed the RC or someone else ordered it without.  Another one didn't want a book that smelled of smoke and my books are used so I can't be sure of that.  I don't want to pay to ship a book that meets PBS guidelines and seems to meet the RC only to have refund the credit because the RC isn't clear.  I also don't want to be mean and just refuse all RC's.

 

Date Posted: 8/31/2015 8:08 PM ET
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Hmmm ... that's one that I would accept based on my mood. One the one hand, I think you can safely send out the book as long as it's something that you want to receive. On the other hand, this person may have lots of weird things in mind when she says "unpleasant surprises". Who knows what she thinks is an unpleasant surprise?

I usually accept all RCs (that my books meet) and I've never had any problems. But if I had that one, I might  accept the order, then PM her and gently suggest that she may want to be more clear in the RC about what she considers to be an "unpleasant surprise" as different of members have different standards about what they care about, and no one else will be able to guess what she might consider an "unpleasant surprise". Better to be more specific about whatever book conditions bother you  specifically.

On the other hand, I feel pretty comfortable determining if I believe that books meet RCs, though, and also pretty comfortable in not refunding the credit if I guess wrong based on ambiguity, so if I thought my book was in nice condition and the receiver thought something constituted an "unpleasant surprise" ... hey, I've got no problem just saying, "Sorry, I'm not refunding the credit." and then explain why. Politely.



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zeke68 -
Date Posted: 8/31/2015 8:45 PM ET
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I'd decline.  I only accept RCs that are clear and concise and that is neither.

I might be (and actually am) perfectly fine receiving a book with spine creases, but many others aren't.  So according to the RC, I could send that, because I'd be fine receiving it, but the recipient could think it's too worn.  Trying to read someone else's mind doesn't work 99% of the time.  And I wouldn't want to deal with the drama that would ensue if the recipient doesn't like spine creases.

 

Date Posted: 8/31/2015 8:56 PM ET
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I'd reject it as a subjective RC.

That said, I'd find it irritating if someone messaged me prior to mailing a book to fill me in on any flaws it might have.  If I had special condition requirements, I'd have an RC myself.  As long as it meets PBS's condition requirements, there shouldn't be any "unpleasant surprises."

Date Posted: 8/31/2015 9:07 PM ET
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I accept most RCs (that is, I have no problem with RCs and accept any that I can fulfill), but I think that this one is pretty vague. For me, accepting this one would depend on my mood at the time - I understand asking to clarify certain points, but this strikes me as a request for a detailed description of each book.

Date Posted: 8/31/2015 9:19 PM ET
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Thanks for all the advice. I never even thought about spine creases and I even had an RC one time that said no creases in the paperback.  I've gotten new books with creases in the spine.  and that's just one possibility.  But used, I just don't expect perfection.  But to each his own.  I'm going to take the advice and refuse the request as to subjective.

Date Posted: 8/31/2015 9:20 PM ET
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I'd decline. The requestor doesn't actually state what they want/don't want, so there is no way for me to know what they really want. 

Date Posted: 8/31/2015 9:56 PM ET
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Contact them without a method provided? One of my red flags. I don't care if I don't need to contact them. But vague wording AND failing to provide contact info? Not worth it.

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 2:19 AM ET
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Another with the majority here, I'd decline this RC.

Not clear what the requester wants, and no way to contact her (unless there is edited out of the message).. 

"..I describe it's present condition BEFORE I mail it out..."  would seem to indicate she PM's before mailing every book and expects others to do the same, this is not in compliance with PBS FIFO guidelines. 
 



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Subject: I would absolutely decline this one. Too subjective and vague.
Date Posted: 9/1/2015 8:23 AM ET
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Date Posted: 9/1/2015 11:47 AM ET
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Nope. I'm not a mind reader. 

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 2:20 PM ET
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I also accept most RCs, have an anti-smoke RC myself. But,  as others have said, this one is too vague and too subjective. What one person sees as meeting the rules and acceptable for a used book can be very different from what another person's view.

I suppose in your shoes I'd decline the request but PM the requestor suggesting s/he clarify this RC for future requests.

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 2:59 PM ET
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I would reject it.  They should specify what is or is not acceptable.  I agree that it is too vague and subjective.

 

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 3:36 PM ET
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If it's a wl book I would message them describing the condition of the book and ask what condition they want and I need a quick reply.  I would cancel if they don't want it or if no response before it times out.  If it has more wishers I could repost, it would go to them again so I would decline for does not meet RC and be on the the next wisher.  

 

EDITED:  Please don't send me a book you yourself would not want to receive.

This statement means nothing to me because I will buy used books based on my interest in the book not the condition.  No DJ, torn DJ, writing in book is no deterrent to me. Dirty, mildew smelling or smoke smell is a deal breaker.  Basically wear and tear is not a problem for me but the book has to be clean with no bad smells. 



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Date Posted: 9/1/2015 5:39 PM ET
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If it's a wl book I would message them describing the condition of the book and ask what condition they want and I need a quick reply.

Unless the requesting member includes his/her username in the PM, there's no way to contact him/her before accepting the request.

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 6:46 PM ET
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"Please don't send me a book you yourself would not want to receive.  I'm always honest when I send books out.  If the book has a flaw

I describe it's present condition BEFORE I mail it out.  No one likes unpleasant surprises."

I think we had one request just like this not too long ago. May have even been the same person.  It did give me pause.  Fortunately, the particular book in question was almost like new in every respect, so I had no problem in that specific case in accepting the rc's and request.  It turned out to be a problem free transaction.

If the book had of had some flaws, I may have also declined the request.

Like some others have mentioned, unless I'm planning on keeping a book in a collection on my shelf, what's overall acceptable to me as far as the condition of books probably wouldn't be acceptable to many others.

Hopefully the OP will send a PM or at least mention on the reason for declining that she/he needs to be more specific and clear in their RC's.

 

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 7:39 PM ET
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Sure I would accept this RC so I could message them for finer details. If they don't want the wl book or if I think my book does not meet their standards, I would cancel. No big deal to me.  

OP asks "would you accept this RC".  

Our responses will vary with our comfort level. If your not comfortable there's no harm in declining the request.. 

zeke68 -
Date Posted: 9/1/2015 8:09 PM ET
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Sure I would accept this RC so I could message them for finer details. 

Even if they included contact information in the RC, which is not clear from the OP, I would not contact them.  RCs are supposed to be easily understandable and, per PBS rules, should not require contact for clarification.

Besides, if the recipient pulled the book from my shelf and I cancel, I lose my place FIFO.  If it's a WL book and I cancel, it'll keep going to the same recipient.  If the recipient cancels, they lose their place in the WL line.

 

Date Posted: 9/1/2015 10:53 PM ET
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Too vague..I wouldn't risk the postage and credit..
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Date Posted: 9/3/2015 9:31 PM ET
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I simply said I didn't want a book from a smoking household and got this response today:

I am sorry, but I do not send books to those with ‘sensory exclusion” criteria. Having received the book from someone else, I cannot vouch for its whereabouts prior to entering my home. Secondly, since each person’s olfactory sensitivity differs, I cannot presume that, although it smells fine to me, you won’t find some telltale undesirable odor. Finally, the notion that you can, unilaterally, decide that someone carrying the book once passed through a smoking environment (ditto mold, mildew, perfume, etc) and that I should receive neither credit nor the book back is, alas, a level of discretion my cynicism does not permit.

I had to laugh that someone would take so much time to vent about an RC...
 

Date Posted: 9/4/2015 12:08 AM ET
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That is kinda over the top, Larry! smiley  Some members will say they don't want books that are "currently" in a smoking household, which might avoid the concern that someone carrying the book might have walked through a house where there was smoke ten years ago, but then again, I think perhaps the member smokes, and just enjoys finding unusual ways of declining that sort of RC without saying that he smokes. Made me laugh, though!

Date Posted: 9/4/2015 7:46 AM ET
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Ha, a simple "no thanks" would suffice, what is the point of a long rant or lecture?  :)

Date Posted: 9/8/2015 5:03 PM ET
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I have a non-smoking RC and I just got a decline because the member uses incense. My RC is really meant to be about cigarette/cigar smoke, but well done to the sender - I don't believe that I'd have any problem with incense, but that was considerate of them, they were polite about it, and it was a completely valid interpretation of my RC.

Date Posted: 9/9/2015 10:09 AM ET
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When an RC is that unclear, I would refuse.  I did not know that spine creases made a book unpostable.  I've received and sent many paperbacks that have creasing as long as spine is intact.  Creasing is common in paperbacks.  There are people who expect to receive new books which doesn't seem reasonable in a used book trade site.

Date Posted: 9/9/2015 1:07 PM ET
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I have a non-smoking RC and I just got a decline because the member uses incense.

I once had a horrible asthma attack after attending a church service at which they used incense. Agreed that this was a good interpretation on their part.

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