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Subject: Ad pages at end of book torn out
Date Posted: 1/1/2015 12:57 PM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2007
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I recently received a request for a book, and the RCs basically restated several postability guidelines, including no torn pages. When I rechecked the book (it's one I received from my Mom and hadn't read myself), I found that the ad/preview pages at the end of the book had been torn out. I declined the request. I then checked the Help Center, and found this under postability guidelines:

No loose or missing text pages

Being that the removed pages were not part of the actual novel, is this book still considered postable? In my interpretation it is, but wanted to see if this had been brought up before.

Date Posted: 1/1/2015 1:06 PM ET
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I would again post the book if the removal was done neatly and did NOT in any way compromise the text or the book itself (no loose pages or tears to surrounding pages). 

ALSO, I would contact any requestor and explain the removal, allowing them the opportunity to cancel the request, but that's just me.  Library books often have non-text page(s) removed - especially if they originally had a card-pocket glued in.

mistie -
Date Posted: 1/1/2015 2:23 PM ET
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Based on the PBS rules, this book is postable.

However, IMHO, I would consider it did not meet the RC for the request you had.
 

Date Posted: 1/1/2015 2:51 PM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
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Yes, the book is postable (if the spine and text is intact) but I would also have declined the RC.  You may wish to tidy or neatly trim the torn pages if possible before accepting a request for the book. 

I would NOT pm future requesters.  PBS defines when a pre-transaction approval is needed, and PM's outside of those perameters makes some members cranky and often causes more problems than it solves.



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Date Posted: 1/1/2015 3:16 PM ET
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Thanks all. I declined the request by declining the RCs, so I'm still at #1 in the FIFO line. The book is otherwise in excellent condition--binding tight, no creases or folds on pages or cover, no other tears, etc. My book is now the only copy in the system so it might just get requested again pretty quickly. At least now I can be confident in my decision to send it.

Date Posted: 1/1/2015 8:53 PM ET
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See the Help Center doc Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS for full details.

Scroll down to the Pages: section for "No loose or missing text pages" rule and other page related issues.



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Date Posted: 1/1/2015 9:02 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2006
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The Criteria also state "No torn pages" (not "No torn text pages") so the issue is the tearing.  In my opinion, if you can put a hard surface behind the torn stub and neaten with a razor -- without compromising the binding -- so that the non-text page is just missing rather than torn, you'd be good to go.  But like Anna, I would PM, since it's open to a bit of debate.

Date Posted: 1/3/2015 10:23 AM ET
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I think some members worry that those ad pages make the book ineligible for mailing out via media mail due to the 'no advertising' rule for media mail.  That might explain why the ad pages are missing.

Date Posted: 1/4/2015 7:53 PM ET
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That was my thought also Jeanne, that someone was worried about the 'no ads' clause of Media Mail eligibility. 

Date Posted: 1/5/2015 10:48 AM ET
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Jeanne and Denise; a very valid point that hadn't even occurred to me!

eta: by valid I mean members being concerned about those ads, not that they are a problem like 'paid for' advertizing...



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