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Subject: Additional Requestor Conditions
Date Posted: 3/4/2008 1:33 PM ET
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I fully understand that some people due to allergies may not want books that have come from smokers or from homes that have pets.  But, I have a couple of questions:

1)  If I got the book from someone else on here and did not have those non-smoker/no pets conditions, then why can I not send the book anyway?  How would I know if they had ever been exposed to those conditions?  (The smoke I can understand, but most people cannot smell a cat even if the cat has been IN the book)

2)  Is it fair to the rest of us to miss opportunities to mail books just because someone wants their books in BETTER condition than PBS requires?  I have two books that are requested right now that I cannot send due to having a cat in my home!

I have allergies too, and don't care for smoking, either.  But, I realize that I am swapping books I will not read for used books that I will read.  With used bookstores, you get what you get.  In my opinion, the same thing goes here.  I am allergic to both cats and dogs, but with treatments, have been proud owners of both for years.  I just feel that I am being discriminated against because of me having a cat.  My cat has never been on the two books I wish to send, so cat dander should not be a major issue.

If you have allergies to things that you have to filter what comes into your home, then a used book site might not be the best place for you.  Sure, to some, that will appear to be a cold-hearted statement, but that is the way I feel.  As someone who took shots for allergies for 13 years, I feel that I have the right to say that.

Now, I will step back while the flaming begins.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 1:46 PM ET
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Chris, I'm not trying to "flame" you but what I will say is that since we are not the owners of this site, we really have no right to say what rules the owners choose to implement (or not). The owners chose to allow requester conditions, so if we agreed to be members of this site, we have to play by those rules, whether we like them/agree with them or not.

I know there are many people who choose to be members of PBS rather than any of the other book swap sites out there because R&R have implemented so many rules to protect the members here from getting books that may be in a condition they don't want. RC's can be a pain in the neck sometimes - but I would rather deal with RCs and get good condition books than go to a site that doesn't have RCs but that doesn't have rules against sending out crappy books either!

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 1:47 PM ET
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Now, I will step back while the flaming begins.

Why give you the satisfaction?  ; )

Actually, I don't understand your first point. As for the second, it's not as if posting a book into the system guarantees you the opportunity to get a credit for it anyway.

 



Last Edited on: 3/4/08 1:50 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/4/2008 1:52 PM ET
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Chris, I won't flame you!  :)  These are valid questions and ones that have been tossed around PBS for some time..at one time or another. 

I totally understand your first point:  If you are resending out a book rec'd here and that book request has a "No Smoker" condition on it....you don't have control over if that book has been exposed to smoke in the past.  You only have control over what it was exposed to in your home

Now, that being said, I do know that some pet allergies are severe enough that if a book has been within 10 feet of a cat/dog, that person can have a reaction....  So due to these allergies, I know that you will have several books you'll have to turn down due to having a cat/dog in your home. 

In my home, we're non-smokers and have no animals, so I can answer with honesty that my books will meet these conditions.  However, I do NOT know where these books where or what they were exposed to before coming into my home....that is a risk we all take when ordering books from a used book site.  Most people are okay with this.  But some aren't.  We just have to be patient while our books make the 'rounds' and the requests get to the people we can send them to.

Hope that makes sense.....



Last Edited on: 3/4/08 1:55 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/4/2008 1:58 PM ET
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ditto to Amanda....I only know what is in my house and not the history of the book.  so if they don't want pets it won't come from my house since we have 2 dogs.  If they ask for non-smoking I will send because we don't smoke and I try not to have any books that came from a smoking household prior since I have that RC.

we can only do the best we can do and if you are unsure about RC then turn that request down.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 2:12 PM ET
Member Since: 10/24/2007
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And remember, even if you do have to turn down a request, you're first in line on the FIFO list for that book, so it won't be long before someone else wants it.  Of course that does not apply if someone tried to order a book right off of your shelf.

I'm a pet owner too, but I don't mind a bit if people say they can't accept my books.  That's the way it is - and I'm glad safeguards in place for people with concerns like that.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 2:49 PM ET
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I smoke, and I have dogs so i always have to say no to both.  I feel that it is more their loss than it is mine.  After all, sooner or later someone else will want my book but that person may not find another one for quite some time.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 3:00 PM ET
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If you have allergies to things that you have to filter what comes into your home, then a used book site might not be the best place for you.  Sure, to some, that will appear to be a cold-hearted statement, but that is the way I feel.  As someone who took shots for allergies for 13 years, I feel that I have the right to say that.

Just as you choose to have pets and take shots... some choose to not have books in a pet envirnoment.  That did appear as a cold hearted statement but you have a right to say it. 

I would suggest you simply turn down any requestor conditions you feel uncomfortable with / can't meet.  That will save you a lot of trouble I'm sure.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 3:14 PM ET
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You'd miss that opportunity to send the book even if they did away with the ability to put on those additional conditions, because those people with the conditions would not be here to have ordered the book from you in the first place. Requestor Conditions allows the membership to grow because it allows people who cannot, or will not, accept certain books to filter them out. 

I have smoke conditions and I have sent well over 100 books and rec'd probably 60-80 so a used book swap site is a perfect place for me. 90% of the books I read come to me used. The difference with a UBS and PBS is that you can walk into a store, pick up the book and look it over, smell it, check if it triggers allergies; on PBS you need to use RCs to "check" the book.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 3:44 PM ET
Member Since: 1/10/2008
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I'm pretty new here but it seems this subject comes up almost on a daily basis.  Has it always been that way? 

 

I, frankly, just don't get what the big deal is.  So someone doesn't want your book? There are probably a lot of books you have that they don't want.   If you have any books left on your bookshelf at all, there are, in fact, quite a few people who don't want your book(s) right now.  The only difference is they don't actually message you and say "I don't want your books!"  They use RCs instead.  So what? 

 

You don't have to go on a long explanation about how Aunt Martha originally had the book, but she had a cat that ate books, so she gave the book to her friend Helen who dropped it on the kitchen table right after lunch so it might have some tuna on it (which might account for why the cat wanted to eat books from Helen's house) so she took it to a UBS who in turn sold it to a kid who realized later he didn't like romantic comedies but did touch it while he had playground dirt on his hands, but that's not as bad as the boy cooties to begin with -- and the kids might have been smoking out behind the gym *with* muddy hands, so what does *that* mean??!!

 

"May not meet conditions." 

 

It sounds like people get insulted that others don't want their books.  I think what's more reasonable is to get upset about what actually *happens* to some of these books after they're gone.  Fortunately, since we're not in charge of it anymore, we can live in blissful ignorance on that score. 



Last Edited on: 3/4/08 3:45 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/4/2008 4:52 PM ET
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Chris said: Is it fair to the rest of us to miss opportunities to mail books just because someone wants their books in BETTER condition than PBS requires?  I have two books that are requested right now that I cannot send due to having a cat in my home! [end of copy]

Chris, reading between the lines, I think your main worry is that you have lost a chance to earn 2 credits. And that is just part of the "game".  I think we all want to believe that everyone is making an honest attempt to meet the conditions of a requester. Some members have stated they are deathly allergic- that really worries me, so I would probably not want to send a book to them.

My suggestion is you go ahead and accept the request then PM the person and let them know you have pets. Put the ball in their court. Then either of you can cancel the request after that.

I dont have any conditions on my books. We dont know where people have had their hands while they are reading, or if they stack them by the toilet or what, yaknow. But I think pet owners would be surprised to know that pet hairs do wind up in books, even tho you think your pet has not been reading your books. <grin>

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 5:23 PM ET
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Judye, you mean my dogs might be reading my books?  and before I can read them?!  LOL

If they have a RC that says a pet free household and you have a pet, just reject them based on that.  I would not accept and then PM them.  That is why there are RC.  now if the requestor is vague, then maybe, but I would probably not accept it because it is a hassle to sort out who should cancel based on if it is a WL book or one that there are multiple copies in the system



Last Edited on: 3/4/08 5:23 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/4/2008 5:34 PM ET
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I went ahead and turned down the request.  Fortune would have it that someone else wanted one of the two books almost instantly after that.

Thanks for all the good responses, everyone.  I wanted to see how others felt about this.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 5:36 PM ET
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Leslie, I agree with you actually, but mine was just a suggestion to Chris that might ease the pain of losing the possible credits.

sorry, did not intend to tell on your dog. I am a bit bitter about some dogs.... my daughters dog has a nasty habit of talking about me behind my back. 
I told my daughter once that her dog was getting fat.... 
she said "funny, she said the same thing about you". I hate that little b#$%&!!!!!

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 6:07 PM ET
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"Is it fair to the rest of us to miss opportunities to mail books just because someone wants their books in BETTER condition than PBS requires?"

Fair? Absolutely it's fair. Requestor Conditions are explicitly allowed, and presumably were at the time you signed up and agreed to abide by those rules.

If you don't like them, I'd also say it'd be fair to try to lobby to change them if you feel strongly about it. *shrug*

I don't personally have any conditions and don't often get requests with them. When I do, I send it on if it meets them and turn it down if it doesn't, or if it's unclear. I don't get the angst - it either fits or it doesn't!

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 6:25 PM ET
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"I just feel that I am being discriminated against because of me having a cat."

Would it be anymore fair for me to be discriminated against by having to accept books from you when I have highly allergic to cats?  I don't have to touch a cat or the cat be in the room but, if a cat has been in the same room at some point prior to my being there and has maybe already left I will have a reaction.  So, why should I be forced to not belong to a site where I can get great books just because someone things I should have to accept books from them even though they have a cat.  At the present I don't have that as a RC but, in the future I may have too...it should be my right.