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Subject: Additional Requirements
Date Posted: 6/18/2013 12:05 PM ET
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I have been a somewhat active member for a few years now, although I usually don't post in the forums I felt the need to very recently. Has anyone else noticed a rise in "additional requestor conditions"? I was able to get my hands on a newly released hardcover book and posted right away thinking there would be many members eager to read. I haven't read the book myself, but does meet the "basic" PBS posting requirements.

Anyway, the first 3 members in FIFO line all had additional requirements like, MUST have dust cover, must be in "great" condition, etc. I'd rather not waste the time, energy, and shipping money to a member with somewhat unrealistic expectations of a used book website. Needless to say, I just removed my book from the PBS system and I'm hoping to pass it along to someone in real life instead.

I hope this post does not upset anyone - I truly understand the need for some additional requirements - like when it comes to animal allergies. I have two cats so I apologize, reject their request, and move on. But some requirements just seem a little over the top. Am I the only person who loves the smell of an older book from a used bookstore?



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Date Posted: 6/18/2013 12:54 PM ET
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Jackie--what may have happened in the case with your book is that maybe the people at the front of the list are there because they have such restrictive RCs that everyone who posts the book is bypassing them to post to someone with out RCs or at least with RCs that they can meet.  Since no one is willing to send the books to them, they just stay at the front end of the WL line.

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 1:22 PM ET
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Great point, I didn't think of that. What a shame for them, they are really missing out on some good books!

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 3:20 PM ET
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Well, as someone who has a RC, I can say, I don't think I'm missing out on books if they don't meet my RC. I would prefer not to get them if they don't.

I prefer books with dustjackets, and I won't even take them free without one. (well, I might if I was going to trade them here.) But it really does make a huge difference to me, whether or not the book has a DJ. I have paid $6 for the same book at a used bookstore (instead of 25 cents) because one had the dustjacket and one didn't. And the reason the UBS can price them that way is that most other people feel the same way and will prefer the DJ copy over the naked one, even if it costs more.

Needless to say, I will mail a book to anyone with a RC if my book meets the conditions. I don't care if people have expectations besides the ones that a few people at PBS decided are the "right ones" to have. There is nothing particularly special about PBS's conditions ... it's just a set of rules that a few people came up with in the past and it may or may not be the exact rules that a member cares about. And, if members care about other things, PBS has, in their wisdom, put in place a way to ask for those things.

Here is the thing that I DON"T understand and never will. If your book meets the conditions of a RC .... why are some people happy to decline the order for it (to someone who will appreciate the condition) and mail it off to someone else who doesn't care at all? It's a book you don't want anymore and have no use for except to trade it to someone else.

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 4:28 PM ET
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To answer Sara P's question in the previous post. Some people have very vague requester conditions or they are subjective. So they do not want to risk sending a book out and then have the requester mark with a problem.  I have had people request books with requester conditions who did not want excessive wear. My definition of excessive wear might be different then thiers so I denie those kinds of requester conditions.  Also with no pets most of books are used so i do no know where they came from but I usually send them out anyway. I have not had any problems so far with those kinds of conditions.

 

 



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Date Posted: 6/18/2013 4:31 PM ET
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Date Posted: 6/18/2013 4:37 PM ET
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So they do not want to risk sending a book out and then have the requester mark with a problem.

The risk is the same whether or not the person has RCs. PBS has a rule that a book must be in "generally good condition". That's their catch-all for anything that is not explicitely defined in the rules. That's obviously subjective.

As far as "excessive wear" ... I use my best judgment.  The same as I do for "generally good conditon".

I've got no problem mailing a book, using my best judgment, and politely declining a credit return if someone complains. Which has NEVER happened to me, even though I send to every RC that I am able to.

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 4:56 PM ET
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Sara, why is having a dust jacket so important? I'm just curious. I know with older books it increases their value. I collect old Nancy Drew books and for those I prefer the dust jacket. But for any other hard cover book I'm just going to read and then relist it doesn't matter.

The only RCs I reject are those with subjective restrictions, like must be in great condition. I follow the guidelines. I have a RC asking for the book to have a plastic wrapper only because lately my books had been coming damp or wet. My mail slot deposits my mail on the floor of the entry to my 2nd floor apt. When it rains here, and that's about all it has done lately, the wind drives water in along the bottom of the door. I think that is the cause of the damp books. No one has rejected a request and all books have come with a plastic liner.

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 5:19 PM ET
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I like the cover art. It improves the reading experience for me, to be able to look at the cover art. I closely examine the covers of most books. I just find them interesting. Naked books are like looking at a room decorated entirely in beige. It's just not interesting.

It's hard for me to imagine that some people don't care about looking at the dust jacket. Intellectually I know it must be true because people say so ... but I just don't get it. smiley

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 5:45 PM ET
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The risk is the same whether or not the person has RCs.

For me, I've sent out any book that meets an RC, and have never had a problem. In fact, some of the nicest PM's I've gotten were from people who had RC's. Some of them seemed to have gotten some really snotty remarks from other people, just because they had an RC. They were very thankful and grateful to get a book they'd been looking for.

I think you're more likely to get a complaint from someone without an RC, just because there's more people out there who don't have them, than from someone who had an RC where your book met conditions and you sent it. You see people here all the time with a "Received with a problem" from people who didn't have an RC in the first place. And from what I can tell, very few from people who did have one.

I think the "Picky RC Requestor" is more an Urban Legend here than a truth, from what I've seen and experienced.

 

 

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Date Posted: 6/18/2013 6:20 PM ET
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Cindy R: I think the "Picky RC Requestor" is more an Urban Legend here than a truth, from what I've seen and experienced.  <<-- This. 

I had an RC, and now I don't but I'm the same person with the same standards I've always had.   I will send to any member with an RC if my book meets conditions, except subjective ones where I'm asked to make a judgment call. (My assessment may not match theirs, especially with odors as my sniffer isn't as sensitive as some people's.)

 

 



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Date Posted: 6/18/2013 7:23 PM ET
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I had an RC for books I was having sent to my DGD about not 'mummifying the wrapping" on the book.  My son requested that I do it because the books were wrapped so tightly that he was having problems getting them unwrapped and was doing damage to the books.  I had a few people ask what "mummifying' was, and once I explained had no problems sending the book. 

If I can meet the RCs, I have no problem sending the book.  The only one I really have a problem with is when a 'smoking' RC appears.  We don't smoke, but I get my books from everywhere and don't know if they've been in a smoke environment or not, so unless it says "current' I'll pass on those.  Good luck.

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 7:26 PM ET
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Some people have very vague requester conditions or they are subjective. Carly M.

I agree with Carly's response except once I was asked to return a credit. Although I don't recall the exact reason, I returned the credit to keep the peace. I always post with the basic PBS rules in mind and wrap in plastic to keep water out. Maybe the right thing to do was decline when the person asked for a return credit or maybe the person should have never asked in the first place. Either way, it was a long time ago, and yes it has made me hesitant on sending out RC books.

The only way PBS works is to keep the cycle going. If no one posted books or requested books, credits would just rot in our accounts. I freely give to the school and military programs (I used to have the little icons by my name, not sure what happened to those...I guess that is another question I have!) and but that doesn't mean I want to send out books on my dime and then have to return a credit because the book smelled funny, etc. That was the only point I was trying to make :)

 

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 7:52 PM ET
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(I used to have the little icons by my name, not sure what happened to those...I guess that is another question I have!)

I'm not sure, but believe some of them only last for one year.

but that doesn't mean I want to send out books on my dime and then have to return a credit because the book smelled funny, etc. That was the only point I was trying to make :)

It's up to you to stand up for yourself if you believe you followed all the rules. If you did, and you know you did, then don't give back the credit. No one is going to hold a gun to your head to force you to do so, and getting RWAP isn't going to jepordize your account unless you get a number of them. (Only PBS knows the numbers that red-flag accounts.)

I think it's unfair to penalize people with RC's by not sending a book that qualifies just because the sender is afraid they're like someone else and may complain. Every person with an RC is an individual, and you can't judge them by what a few might have done.

To me, that's just like those who say they never ship to anyone who've not been members for 'long enough' to be trusted. It's not fair to be judge that way either.

Date Posted: 6/18/2013 11:28 PM ET
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If my book meets the conditions, I'm happy to mail it.  Haven't had any problems yet.  I agree with Cindy R.  I think you're less likely to have problems with members who have RCs, as long as your book meets RCs.

And, I'm like Sara P.--I much prefer to have dust jackets for my hardcovers.   I used to have an RC asking for dustcovers,  but I deleted it a while ago.  I've only recIived one book without a dust jacket since removing my RC--and I've received several.  I decided I'm willing to take my chances and avoid having folks turn me down just because I have an RC.

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Date Posted: 6/19/2013 9:54 AM ET
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I like the cover art. It improves the reading experience for me, to be able to look at the cover art. I closely examine the covers of most books. I just find them interesting. Naked books are like looking at a room decorated entirely in beige. It's just not interesting.

Ditto, Sara!  I feel exactly the same way. The first thing that interests me in a book (aside from being from favorite authors) is the artwork on the cover. I'm a man, I'm visual. I have bought, borrowed, WLed books simply because the artwork first caught my attention. Naturally, I read the synopsis on the DJ to see if I'll be interested in the story but there are books I would have overlooked had the DJ not caught my attention. Why do we need a nice paint job on our car- it doesn't affect the driving. Don't you want your house to look nice from the outside while being functional on the inside? I know it may sound like a silly analogy to a book I am going to discard after I read it, but it is just how I am. I want the dustjacket. A book without the dustjacket is like a sandwich without the bread. It's just a personal preference. I don't have to have it but I'm willing to skip a spot in line to get it. I doubt I get skipped often though so the RC is worth it to me. If your book doesn't have a dustjacket, just let it go to the next person. I'm not offended, why should you be.