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Subject: Adobe Digital Editions 4.0 collecting ePub data off computers
Date Posted: 10/7/2014 9:38 AM ET
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This just was published, so it's 'breaking news' and the facts may change as people dig into it more. Maybe a false alarm, it all depends on how good the people are looking at it. But I'm taking precautions anyway.

Here.

Adobe is gathering data on the ebooks that have been opened, which pages were read, and in what order. All of this data, including the title, publisher, and other metadata for the book is being sent to Adobe’s server in clear text.

I am not joking; Adobe is not only logging what users are doing, they’re also sending those logs to their servers in such a way that anyone running one of the servers in between can listen in and know everything,

But wait, there’s more.

Adobe isn’t just tracking what users are doing in DE4; this app was also scanning my computer, gathering the metadata from all of the ebooks sitting on my hard disk, and uploading that data to Adobe’s servers.

In. Plain. Text.

Date Posted: 10/7/2014 8:16 PM ET
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Sigh. I still have 2.0 installed and it's staying that way. It tries to upgrade, it's off my computer and I will go Kindle only. Anyone know how deleting Adobe Digital affects using Adobe PDF readers? I use a lot of PDF files with work and while the two aren't connected, they may actually be in the background.

Are they trying to kill off the Nook?

Date Posted: 10/7/2014 9:09 PM ET
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More info Here. And how to test it out what it's accessing if you want to.

Anyone know how deleting Adobe Digital affects using Adobe PDF readers?

That I don't know. You could delete it on your computer and see, then reload ADE if you need it. I had ADE 4.0 and deleted it, and still have version 2.0 that works as usual. (That and version ADE3 are not sending the huge amount of data 4.0 is) So they're not all connected.

Are they trying to kill off the Nook?

They're sure not helping it any. But then again, a lot of people don't like Adobe for DRM and never have, and it does add costs to every ebook that uses them for security. Maybe the publishers will start to look at other ways to DRM, or drop it all together.

IIRC, it was Tor that dropped DRM all together, Here. And they've reported no loss in sales over it. which makes sense considering if anyone wants to pirate a copy, it's done in hours, if not minutes. The DRM was only making customers who bought books unhappy.

 

 

Date Posted: 10/8/2014 1:44 AM ET
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ADE is completely independent of the PDF readers.  I've installed and reinstalled ADE many times over the last couple years and it doesn't affect any of my .pdf reading.

I too have ADE 2.0 and for the little I use it for it works fine.  But I also have a first edition Nook so my ereading tech demands are small considering.  Not sure what ADE hopes to gain from all this.

Date Posted: 10/8/2014 10:05 AM ET
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I've installed Bluefire on my windows desktop, and my Ipad. It also has an Android version

Haven't played with it, but it is supposed to handle Adobe DRM'd books. I know it asked for my Adobe info when I signed in.

Date Posted: 10/8/2014 5:41 PM ET
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I saw Bluefire pop up in a different place today.  I've never heard of it. By Adobe info, what does it want?  I'd love to know what you think of it.

Date Posted: 10/9/2014 3:43 PM ET
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I've heard of it for a while, but hadn't really played with it. I don't have a lot of time today, but am messing with it while I take a break. 

Bluefire for PC - When installing it, it asks for your Adobe information so it can open your Adobe books. In Overdrive, if I save the ACM file to my comuter, I can open Bluefire and go to File --> Open ACM and it will ask where the file is. It opens fine, and you can set fonts, size, themes, and such from a cog (?I think that's what it is) at the top right. Seems to work okay. File opens, and there's a choice to return the book to the library. 

Bluefire for IOS (apple) - I'm having problems with it on my iPad Mini. Works okay by dragging and dropping files into the app while in iTunes. You can put stuff in collections, but I haven't figure out how to do that before I load a ton of them. Need to experiment with that more. Problem I'm having is that no matter what I select in the settings, the font color and background color want to be the same. Default seems to be working, but I'm not hot on white background with black text. Night theme works, but not the others.

There have been several of my programs that are having problems with IOS 6, which I installed when it came out. This may be a glitch based on the new IOS rather than a problem with the app itself. 

Haven't tried the android version yet.

Ed. It wants your Adobe ID and password that you use when using Adobe itself.



Last Edited on: 10/9/14 3:48 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/10/2014 10:11 AM ET
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More information, after a lot of people started looking into it all.

Here.

One thing that's clear is that Adobe Digital Editions version 4 is not well designed. It's also clear that our worst fears about ADE4 - that it was hunting down ALL the ebooks on a user's computer on installation and reporting them to Adobe - are not true. I've been participating with Nate and some techy people in the library and ebook world (including GalenLiza, andAndromeda) to figure out what's really going on. It's looking more like an incompetently-designed, half-finished synchronization system than a spy tool. Follow Nate's blog to get the latest.