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Subject: Adobe Flashplayer and Kindle Fire HD plus other ?????'s
Date Posted: 9/7/2013 10:06 PM ET
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I'm still learning my Fire HD. I got it about a month ago. I like it, but I have some serious reservations about its usefulness for anything other than an ereader.

So, I learned no Flashplayer for android after 2012.

Aside from going through the myriad steps to get Adobe Flashplayer on my new Kindle, is there any video player loaded onto Kindle that will play videos? Or can no videos be played? I'm guessing this means that even Prime videos don't work without Flashplayer?

What is the point of being HD if videos don't play? One would think something would be installed and some videos somewhere would work.

If I go through the steps to download Dolphin then Flashplayer, does it work well? I'm thinking that's my main recourse.

I've sideloaded before, so i have that step down. I had to download some app to check out a library book. Now I guess I need to download ES File Explorer. Does anyone use it other than to filter in Dolphin? Might as well us it if I have to download it.

Thanks for any help in advance. (And if there is already a thread on this, please just direct me to that.)

Date Posted: 9/8/2013 12:57 AM ET
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Well, if anyone is around .... I got Dolphin and Flashplayer installed. It works. Sort of. I'm trying to get it to work on Acorn TV. I have sound but no picture. I tried the exact same tv show on both the Nook Color and my laptop and it works. Not on the Kindle though ... great sound but just a black screen. And that's on all Acorn TV shows. Dolphin with Flashplayer does work on You Tube videos. Any ideas? I'm heading over to the Amazon boards to see if they have any existing threads.

Date Posted: 9/8/2013 6:00 AM ET
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You Dont need Player to play Videos!!  Take them OFF they interfer with the ones on there thats from Amazon!  Prime movies play either as stream or Download & go!  CBS and otheres Stream thru Amazon Video Player.  Movies From YouTube Download thru the You Tube App Play with the Movies Clapper App.  Personal Videos you side load play thru the Movie Clapper app also.

Date Posted: 9/8/2013 11:34 AM ET
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Barbara, i don't have Prime yet. Since 2012, the newer Kindle Fire HD does not come with Adobe Flasplayer so I couldn't even play personal videos when looking at email or facebook. That's why you need Flash - or that's what I read anyhow, and has been my experience. The Flash/Android issue is causing a problem with Android devices and people who want to stream Amazon Prime instant videos too. At least that's what I'm getting from the forums. There seem to be some alternatives out there for those with Androids other than a Kindle Fire, met with varying degrees of success

ETA: Problem solved with downloading Dolphin and Flash. Joined the trial version of Prime. So far so good. I hope they solve this issue soon. Lots irritated customers at Amazon - sounds like maybe an Android app is in the works. Acorn TV just doesn't work for me so I'll be cancelling that subscription and watching my British TV elsewhere. I don't get the "black screen" anywhere else other than Acorn.



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Date Posted: 9/8/2013 12:20 PM ET
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I had my Fire HD since Nov 6th Never put Flash on it eveything plays fine.  YouTube Downlods with YouTube app...to view the movies you go to the app that looks like a movie clapper..

Date Posted: 9/8/2013 12:42 PM ET
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If you've had it since Nov, it's an older version than mine. That's why it works, I would guess.. I got mine a month ago, 2013 and they've discontinued using Flash, which is the basic element that drives the movies. It's huge news. Do an online search and you can see what I'm talking about. It's Adobe that caused the issue, not Amazon.
Date Posted: 9/8/2013 12:47 PM ET
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Oh, i wanted to add, usually everything comes witb Adobe Flashplayer pre-installed. It's not a movie player itself, it's behind-the-scenes software that allows movies to play. It comes standard on computers, ereaders, whatever plays movies like youtube or little videos. It's already in your ereader when you purchase it ... In Aug. 2012 Adobe stopped supporting Android devices, which is what ereaders are - barring iPads and Apple stuff.

Last Edited on: 9/8/13 12:56 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 9/8/2013 9:52 PM ET
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I understand about Adobe.  But what I trying to tell you is Amazon has its own built in player Adobe messes it up.  As for age huh??  I have HD its UTD..  It has all the software the new ones have as you put it.

Date Posted: 9/8/2013 11:15 PM ET
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Thanks for your help Barbara - I did copy and paste the requirement for the Amazon video player and YouTube, below for you. These are from the Amazon and YouTube web pages. You'll see they both require Adobe Flash to run. That's what i was trying to explain to you -- no Flash, no work. You didn't have to put Flash on your Kindle because it already came with Flash. All computers come with Flash. It used to be standard with all operating systems (aside from Apple products), including Androids. Now there is a big problem with Androids.

Have a nice evening. And thanks for the input! It's nice to have it all working again. Now that I have my new Kindle Fire HD, I'm going to go root my old Nook Color and see if I can make that better.

 

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You can get instant access to your video on a Mac or PC through your web browser using Adobe Flash Player. The videos play back in your computer's web browser without requiring the download of large files or installation of video player software.

Amazon automatically detects your connection speed, sends you the highest quality stream your connection can support, and then displays the stream quality on the video player.

System requirements for streaming video content:

 

{C}Internet Connection
Minimum recommended connection speed of 900 Kbits/sec for SD and 2Mbps/sec for HD.
{C}Computer Hardware
PCs: Intel Pentium 4 2.33GHz processor or equivalent.
Macs: Intel Core Duo 1.33 GHz or faster.
{C}Browser
Internet Explorer 7.0 or above
Firefox 3.0 or above
Safari 5.0 or above
Google Chrome 16 or above
(excluding beta versions of browsers).
{C}Browser Plug-ins
Microsoft Silverlight Version 5.1 or higher

Note: For more information about Silverlight, go to Silverlight Player.

Flash Player version 10.2.159.1 or higher (recommend latest version from http://get2.adobe.com/flashplayer/)
{C}Operating Systems
Windows XP SP2 or newer, Mac OS 10.5.7+ (intel-based) or newer (excluding beta versions of operating systems).

 

Note:

  • At this time, HD movies can't be streamed from a computer.
  • When using a browser on Mac OS X, you'll see a blank screen when attempting to view videos if the Adobe Flash Player is not installed or you don't have the most current version. For installation instructions and assistance, go to the Adobe Flash Player website.
  • You can access your streaming video at a later time through Your Video Library.

 

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Subscribe to the YouTubeHelp channel for tips, tricks, and tutorials.

System requirements

In order to watch YouTube videos, make sure you have the following:

Movies, TV shows, and live events requirements

Some premium content on YouTube -- like movies, TV shows, and live events -- require a faster connection and greater processing power to ensure optimal streaming speeds.

Make sure to close other tabs, browsers, and programs while streaming your content. It may also help to hardwire your Internet connection, instead of using a wireless network connection.

Chrome for Ubuntu or other Linux operating systems are not supported. If you receive an error message when attempting to use a supported browser, you may need to install a HAL module.

 



Last Edited on: 9/8/13 11:57 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 9/9/2013 6:28 AM ET
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There is an article on that very subject here.

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 8:44 AM ET
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I just downloaded the Puffin browser for my Nook HD since it was the Friday Freebie and the specs said it supported Flash.  And it does!  I can log into my Webkinz account with it although it's pretty slow.  I don't think Webkinz is made to be played on a tablet but at least it's getting more possible.

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 10:52 AM ET
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Gee sorry I tried to help you Susan... All you want to do is put my HD down!  I Dont use Adobe for Anything IT CRAP!  Everything plays fine!  TUVM

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 11:38 AM ET
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Barbara, try the link that Anne has in her post. That might help. Your HD is actually better than mine.

Sarah, Anne, does Amazon do updates to its ereaders? I know in the few years I've had my Nook Color, I've gotten maybe 3 updates, one was pretty hefty. I ask because if Amazon does do updates, could the updates potentially wipe out Flash capabilities in older generation Kindle Fires and HDs? I remember some Windows updates a time or two had some really negative effects on existing software. They had to patch the updates or people had to uninstall the updates. I'm wondering if that could happen here. I ask because my DD has a regular Kindle Fire. And what about potential updates for Nook Color? Could an update wipe out my Flash in my NC?

 

 



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Date Posted: 9/9/2013 12:41 PM ET
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Sarah, Anne, does Amazon do updates to its ereaders?

Yes, they do. I've have a couple of updates on my Paperwhite, have had several on the Touch, and they do update K4PC once in a while.

It's hard to predict what an update will do. It will all depend on the changes they make. 

One of the best things I know to do is keep wifi turned off so that they don't update without you knowing, and keep an eye on the various forums at http://www.mobileread.com/forums/

They usually post about new updates on various machines, and a lot of people have older machines and hacks that they worry about when an update comes. People are usually pretty quick at letting others know if any particular update tends to mess up other installed programs. 

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 2:26 PM ET
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Thanks Cindy! I'll keep an eye on that forum - it looks familiar, I think I might have cruised through that one when looking for information this past weekend. I learned a lot trying to figure out what the heck was going on with my Fire HD. (I even found a forum Anne was on! lol Can't remember where I was though!!)

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 7:37 PM ET
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I've had my Nook HD for a couple of months now.  I think there's been one update.

I know lack of Flash is a big problem for most tablets.

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 7:46 PM ET
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Sarah, I've never tried that browser, I might have to give it a whirl. Though usually Chrome on the Nook HD is all I need. Love my Nook HD!!! My daughter gave me the Fire HD back, and took ownership of the HD+, which was fine with me...except I bought her a pink cover! Gag! So I've ordered a brown one (not the brand name one) and will sell the pink one ASAP. So now I have two tablets to my name....of course I will share them with anyone in the family. I love the Nook better. But it's still good to have an Amazon tablet on hand. So we'll hang on to it. There is a free flash plug in at the B&N app store for Nook. But I have yet to play a movie or video on it, so I have no idea if I needed it or not. I use my Nook HD for side loaded epubs and news, and sometimes web.

Susan, Amazon pushes updates through every so often.....even to older devices. They are good about that, if you like updates. I was not happy with the one that broke the custom wallpaper on the Kindle Fire HD. That's one reason my daughter didn't want it any more. Very annoying! She loves her big Nook, I modified it a little bit, to get the Amazon app store on it, so she has all her apps. So the Fire is abandoned on my shelf unless I decide to read my prime book of the month on it. (Also I have my paperwhite hacked to not install any over the air updates. I usually don't want things changed, if they work, why fix them?)

 

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 8:03 PM ET
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I love the Nook better.

Me too! I was all set to like the Kindle Fire HD better, but I don't.

I was quite dismayed to learn not only did I have to deal with no Flash but there is no way to put wallper on my Fire HD. I found an app that allows you to put on wallpaper for the app "page" but that's it. There are other functions that I just plain like better too - mainly the way I can create my own shelves. I did buy an app that allows me to do that on the Kindle though.

I only have the nerve to think about rooting my NC because I have the Fire to fall back on. I'm not going to actually "root" it though - just do the SD micro card already preloaded. I have to do some checking on where to get a reliable one and what I want it loaded with. I know there are a couple choices. It'll be nice to get all the Google apps on my NC.



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Date Posted: 9/9/2013 8:14 PM ET
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Well, we had a Nook Color, and the lack of google play was a huge disadvantage. We ran it with the n2a card for the year we had it. That is not a perfect solution either, running an OS off an SD card is not without issues. I was glad to be rid of the NC, and we switched to a Fire and a Lenovo that year. (Last Christmas), 7 months later, I sold both of those and got the Nook HD and HD+. (My advice, NEVER buy a Lenovo tablet. The Nook Color, an older product, was way better than that POS). My girls are so happy with their Nooks! I recommend, if you can, get rid of the Nook Color and get a Nook HD instead. I got mine for $99!!! from Staples. I only got the 8gb for myself. I got my daughter the 16gb snow....well worth $149! And the big one is 32gb. They should hopefully never run out of room for all their silly games. For the sale prices they are now, they are an unbeatable deal.

Date Posted: 9/9/2013 8:26 PM ET
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Oh I forgot...I was considering rooting my Fire but my daughter liked the carousel. Now that it's mine again....I may root it.

Date Posted: 9/10/2013 12:07 AM ET
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Anne, the prices on the Nook HD and +'s are unbelievable!  I've actuallly had been toying with the idea of getting one just because the prices are so low but I honestly couldn't justify it. I do like the NC on the whole, and if I can root it or run another OS on a micro card, I might like it even better. I have read a variety of posts on it and the results seem hit and miss.

At this point, it's just kind of nice to have access to Nook and Kindle books

Date Posted: 9/10/2013 6:02 AM ET
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The specs on the HD are so much better than the NC. The processor is faster, and the screen resolution is the best out there, 2nd only to the newest Nexus 7. If you get one, you will see. Keep watching the sales....they will go lower. If refurbs go to $50 I will get another as a backup. They are that good.

Date Posted: 9/10/2013 8:52 AM ET
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Susan, I have a Nook Color and one of the N2A cards.  Nice machine, but, oh my, after getting a Nook HD I would never go back to the Color!  In fact, I need to get the NC de-registered and get rid of it.  I have not turned it on since I got the HD in one of the sales.  Did I need the HD?  Nope!  But the price was too good to pass up.

Plus, the N2A was annoying me.  It always had problems connecting to my router and going online.  The Nook side had no problem when I turned on the Wifi but the Android side became so annoying I quit using it.  So nice not to have to mess with that anymore.

I'm happy to send you my N2A card if you want to try that.  Maybe you'll have better luck with it than I did.

Date Posted: 9/10/2013 1:09 PM ET
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LOL - you guys are enabling! I cave easily .....

Sarah, if you don't mind sending it, I'd love to try it out and see how it works! I might need tutorials after I put it in though.

Date Posted: 9/10/2013 2:23 PM ET
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It's easy...you won't need any help, I don't think. 

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