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Subject: in America?
Date Posted: 5/26/2009 10:22 PM ET
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FAITH UNDER FIRE
Home: No place for Bible study
County demands pastor spend thousands on 'Major Use' permit to host friends


Posted: May 22, 2009
5:13 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

 

San Diego pastor and his wife claim they were interrogated by a county official and warned they will face escalating fines if they continue to hold Bible studiesin their home.

Date Posted: 6/13/2009 7:00 AM ET
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I read this when it first came out in the news.   I think the neighbors complained because of the parking situation.   If  you're going to have a large number of people come to your house on a regular basis, I can understand how annoying it can be to the neighbors.   

Date Posted: 6/14/2009 10:52 AM ET
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Date Posted: 6/20/2009 8:59 PM ET
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This reminds me of the group of people protesting a Gay Pride parade that were arrested. They were on a documentary (can't remember the name) about Christians being silenced in America (it was propoganda plain and simple) The people claimed that because they were Christian they were put in jail for the protest but the video in the documentary shows them getting in a police officers face when he tells them they have to get back behind the barracade. They were arrested for that not for their religion.

Date Posted: 6/22/2009 12:07 PM ET
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((((((( a traffic congestion and parking problem.-----parking on the lawn, double parking))))))))))

I don't believe that.  I have several friends who live on streets where they have multi-generation families packed into the homes and they have several cars apiece.  One friend told me just last week that the family across from him has 9 cars!  I really don't believe a group of bible students are parking on lawns.

Date Posted: 6/22/2009 4:15 PM ET
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9 cars regularly parked at the owners' home is different than a home unequipped to accomadate that many cars clogging the street once a week.  If nothing else, were I in that situation I'd try to carpool.

Date Posted: 6/23/2009 2:11 PM ET
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Well Cheryl maybe no one in your neighborhood has reported those people but believe you me if once a week people were parking all over my street making me unable to drive down it Id be reporting them as fast as I could blink. A residential street is not a parking lot. On my street that would pose a threat to anyone taking a walk, pets, kids playing etc. So you may not believe that this wasnt a case of religious persicution but trust me it was probably not. I cant say for sure since I'm not there and I'm not the ones breaking up the party but its probably not religious persicution.

Date Posted: 6/25/2009 5:57 PM ET
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(((((((((((9 cars regularly parked at the owners' home is different than a home unequipped)))))))))))))

I was talking about single family homes with 2 car garages.

Date Posted: 6/28/2009 7:10 PM ET
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I hate it when people break laws, get in trouble for it, and scream persecution.  Makes me crazy.  People have Bible studies in their home all the time.  Clearly, the Bible study was not the issue. 

Date Posted: 1/7/2010 4:54 AM ET
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Cheryl:

 

((((((( a traffic congestion and parking problem.-----parking on the lawn, double parking))))))))))

I don't believe that.  I have several friends who live on streets where they have multi-generation families packed into the homes and they have several cars apiece.  One friend told me just last week that the family across from him has 9 cars!  I really don't believe a group of bible students are parking on lawns.

I found this story particularly interesting because it happened to me and my father - as the neighbors.

Once upon a time - about 25 years ago - our next door neighbors decided to start their own church, because they decided that the Assembly Of God church they were attending was too liberal for them. We discovered this because at 7am on sunday morning we were awakened by the really really loud wishy washy music, and looked out our windows to discover our front lawn had a number of cars in it. Now, I should mention that our front lawn was mostly blocked off from the street by an 18 inch tall stone wall, so the cars had made an effort to drive through the one opening and go around the wall to park... after they'd already filled up the space in front of the walls along the street, our driveway, the neighbor's driveway, and the neighbor's lawn.

So yeah, I MOST CERTAINLY DO believe a group of bible students are parking on lawns, because it happened to us.

My father walked over to the neighbor's house and told them they would have to move their cars off our lawn, driveway, and the space in front of our stone walls. They screamed at him that he was a minion of the devil and threw him out. He called the police, who showed up and ordered them to move their cars, and told them not to do it again.

But they did do it again, week after week. Every week we'd wake up and find people parking on our lawn - THE SAME people parking on our lawn - and they'd refuse to do anything about it until a tow-truck showed up, at which time they'd sneer at us and jump into their cars and move them. 

My father finally solved the problem by having a lot of long angry discussions with city hall, who finally agreed to enforce the noise ordinance, the fire code, the parking code, and the zoning law. The next sunday the christians parked all over our lawns again, and cops and city officials and tow-trucks swooped in and started towing and issuing warnings, with the unequivocal statement that this home could not lawfully be used as a church (zoned residential only) or even have that many people in it (apparently the fire code the number of people in that house at a time), that they could not legally have that many cars on the property (because it wasn't legally a parking lot and not zoned to be able to be), that they couldn't start the loud music until 9am (because it violated the noise ordinance), that they couldn't have live amplified music for an audience without a permit, and that if they did this stuff again they would be arrested and heavily fined, and there would be no more warnings. The lady of the house stormed over and screamed at our house for a while about what nasty evil people my father and I are, until he ordered her off the property and the cops made her leave under threat of arrest. A week later they put their house up for sale, and a few months later they were gone. Apparently they couldn't stand living someplace where holier-than-thou people don't get special exemption from obeying the law.

So, bluntly, having seen what it takes to get a bunch of bible students to obey the law and exhibit basic manners, yes, I most certainly do believe that a bunch of bible students parked all over the lawn, and that it took threats of large fines from the city to get them to behave.

Date Posted: 1/8/2010 7:17 PM ET
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Why do such folks (as the "Bible study group") believe they are entitled to SPECIAL exemption from the common, ordinary community laws and customs all the rest of us have to abide by?????

Date Posted: 1/8/2010 9:16 PM ET
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I really don't believe a group of bible students are parking on lawns.

Just because someone is Christian doesn't mean that they will behave any better than anyone else.  Just because they are studying the Bible doesn't mean that they get that the "neighbors" mentioned in it includes the people who live next to the person hosting the Bible study.



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