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Subject: Another Twilight Series Book Coming Out
Date Posted: 11/3/2008 4:35 PM ET
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I just read on Stephenie Meyer's site that there will be a fifth book in the series called Midnight Sun, told from Edwards perspective. You can read some of it there: http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/midnightsun.html



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Subject: Twilight
Date Posted: 11/3/2008 5:30 PM ET
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Hi,

I keep hearing about this series and my 14 yr old daughter said a lot of kids at school are reading it. From the images I have seen on the cover I thought it was a romance/vampire series. Is it paranormal romance like Sherryln Kenyon or more like the vampire chronicles of Anne Rice?

Date Posted: 11/3/2008 7:28 PM ET
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Yes, but Midnight Son has been indefinitely delayed after it was leaked online.

 

Date Posted: 11/3/2008 7:56 PM ET
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Blech.

 

 

Date Posted: 11/4/2008 8:28 AM ET
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Kat, I think this series is perfect for a 14 yo girl!  It does not have explicit sex scenes in it but there is definitely romance with vampires and werewolves. I think it is excellent for young adults, esepcially girls. There is a bit of "rescue the girl" in the series but I think it gets better in the later books.  I've read the first two and even though the books are thick, they are a quick read. 

Kat (polbio) -
Subject: twilight
Date Posted: 11/4/2008 2:01 PM ET
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Thank you!

Date Posted: 11/4/2008 4:07 PM ET
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I may cause a flurry of posts.... I have a daughter ( not old enough to read ), but if she was I would not let her read the series.

I have read summeries of the books and please correct me if I'm wrong but does'nt the lead female character get married at 18, keep having sex with vampire

husband even though it causes her pain, brusies, broken bones ( never letting him know of her suffering...)

and then becomes pregnate witha baby that might harm her?

Ummm....not good IMO

Kat (polbio) -
Subject: Amber
Date Posted: 11/5/2008 10:09 AM ET
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Thank you for that imput. That is kinda the impression I got (although I hadnt heard that muh detail). The covers and images shown on the books to me look like a romance/paranormal. My daughter said "most" of her friends are reading it. Right now she is content with the Brian Jacques Redwall series, but she did talk about maybe reading the Twilight series next. I guess i will have to read it first to see if it is appropriate.

Thanks again for the input.

Date Posted: 11/5/2008 1:46 PM ET
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No, having sex with her husband does not cause her pain or broken bones. She gets bruises yes but only the first time, and she doesn't even know she has them until he points them out (so he knew before she did, and really, for a lot of people bruises from sex is not always a bad thing). Yes, she does keep the baby even when its not good for her, but is that really anything new? There are plenty of women who will keep their babies no matter what it does to their health...granted, not as extreme in these books, but then again they aren't gettng impregnanted by vampires.

As for marriage at 18, so? They don't have sex until they are married, and there's nothing sexually graphic either.

Date Posted: 11/5/2008 3:42 PM ET
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There's no sex, but from the beginning of the series the heroine is presented as clingy, whiny and utterly dependent on her man to tell her what to do and think.  There's other things besides sex that make a book inappropriate, and while I know I'm in the minority, and certainly there's no reason that a well-adjusted teen with good self-esteem shouldn't enjoy the book (if that's your cup of tea), its not one that I'd encourage preteen or teen girls to read just because I think its a poorly written book with dreadful characters.



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Date Posted: 11/5/2008 5:45 PM ET
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You may not encourage them to read it but they are going to. Even if it's kept in the locker at school.

I really thought Bella was a whiney, clingy neurotic girl in the first 3 books. In the 4th book she finally gets some backbone. I liked her by the end of the 4th book. I liked the story which is why I kept reading it even tho I didn't like Bella. I liked the other characters.

You have to remember that this is fantasy. There's no graphic sex, no drugs, no dissing of the parents.  I think the Clique and Gossip Girl books probably have a lot more in them to worry about than in this YA fantasy. I don't remember anything in Twilight at all that would be objectionable. The later books start gearing toward a more mature audience. Probably a result of all the adults interest in the first 2.

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Subject: twilight
Date Posted: 11/5/2008 6:45 PM ET
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Thankfully, my daughter doesnt like the "girly-girl" type books so I havent had to worry about those topics. She is a fantasy (mainly about animals) lover. The only reason she seemed interested in this series is because she heard it had werewolves in it. She is deep in Redwall right now. I think if I give her the information everyone has provided she will probably not want to read it. But I do agree from the sounds of it, it doesnt sound appropirate for a 14 year old. Atleast not the books where they are married.

I think I will continue to look for animal fantasy type books. I have Watership Down on the shelf for her to read once she is done with the redwall books.

Thanks again.

Date Posted: 11/5/2008 7:50 PM ET
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Kat in the first two, they aren't married yet....maybe you could read Twilight and see for yourself..I finished it very quickly...If I ever get my copy back I'd be happy to loan it to you.

Date Posted: 11/5/2008 9:06 PM ET
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Off topic, if you are looking for animal fantasy type books, I recomend Mercedes Lackey.  She writes many books about Herolds and their Companions (intelligent horses).

Date Posted: 11/5/2008 9:17 PM ET
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Vanessa, I agree.  Bella is an incredibly weak character and I would not want my daughters to be like her.

The fourth book in the series is the worst of them all -- the climax is a disappointment.  Everything wraps up way too neatly.  It may be fantasy fiction, but the world isn't that perfect.

The werewolves aren't present until the second book, and they aren't actually werewolves (real werewolves are affected by the moon) but shapeshifters (people who can shift into a wolf shape at will).

Date Posted: 11/6/2008 4:19 AM ET
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I have to say I had never even heard of these books until Breaking Dawn just came out and I joined PBS and everyones always talking about it (lol no I don't live under a rock but we are overseas and so the only "book store" we have is a couple of aisles in the BX so they don't carry a whole lot). I just became the number 1 on wishlist for the first book Twilight and so I can't wait to read this. I've heard very mixed signals and I don't normally read vampire type books but I am really curious to see what all the hype is....thats actually got into Harry Potter series also:)
Date Posted: 11/6/2008 8:05 AM ET
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I've heard mixed reviews about the fourth book. A coworker loved it.

Kat (polbio) -
Subject: animal fantasy
Date Posted: 11/6/2008 8:40 AM ET
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Thanks Mary. I will look into the Mercedes Lackey books. My daughter (April)  found a trilogy by Merideth Ann Pierce called the Firebringer Trilogy (I think). Anyone ever heard of it?

Subject: Bella
Date Posted: 11/6/2008 10:08 AM ET
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I have read these books and I disagree. The lead character, Bella, is not weak. She is in love. She actually goes against Edward many times in the books. Also, she does get married at 18 because she knows she wants to be with him forever. She does not actually want to get married, but that is the only way Edward WILL have sex with her. That is actually very  morally correct in my opinion. He is very traditional and does not want to take away her "virtue". These books are great stories and if I had a 15 yo I would let her read it, though the content can occasionally be more mature and I would not let a teen under 15 read it.

Date Posted: 11/6/2008 10:21 AM ET
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Watership Down is a great book Kat! I still re-read it.

You may not encourage them to read it but they are going to. Even if it's kept in the locker at school.

Good point Kathi. Maybe it would be good to read it together and talk about whats unrealistic in the book.

for a lot of people bruises from sex is not always a bad thing). Yes, she does keep the baby even when its not good for her, but is that really anything new? There are plenty of women who will keep their babies no matter what it does to their health...granted, not as extreme in these books, but then again they aren't gettng impregnanted by vampires.

Yes, but I would'nt want my young daughter to learn about  pregnancy and all the wonders/dangers that go along with it through this book. The solution is to vamp her ( Bella) to solve those problems which does'nt work IRL.  As far as the bruises go, I don't want my daughter to think that love has to hurt. Too many women already do.

As for marriage at 18, so? They don't have sex until they are married, and there's nothing sexually graphic either.

Sex does'nt bother me. I don't want my daughter to think that her only option is to get married at 18. There is so much more to the world!! Let her see whats out there before she gets hitched. I know this is a work of fiction / fantasy but I am careful what goes into my kid's brain.

 I think we all can agree about the power of books!

 



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Date Posted: 11/6/2008 2:01 PM ET
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Getting bruises during sex does not equal love hurting, and it doesn't even mean it was intentional.

Also, if you teach your daughter these things, then what she reads in a book shouldn't cause her to go out and get married. Not saying your choice is wrong, I have a son so I understand wanting to control what info they get lol

Date Posted: 11/6/2008 4:56 PM ET
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I agree, AshsHeroine. You have to just teach your kids what you want them to learn then trust them to do what's right. You can't shelter your kids and they learn a lot worse at school than what they might take from these books. Teach your kids the difference between fiction and reality and trust their judgment. These books are much tamer than many in their school library, trust me.

Date Posted: 11/6/2008 10:51 PM ET
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lol, I certainly wouldn't forbid any teen from reading Twilight, I highly doubt it would induce high schoolers getting married.  But if your daughter's not into romancy stuff she probably won't like it.  I haven't read so much "Is he looking at me? Oh no, why would he ever look at me!  He's so pretty!" silliness since I was a tween. 

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 9:31 AM ET
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I haven't read these yet but I would like to I just have to ask... why would it be inappropriate for a 14 year old since there's no explicit sex scenes and such... most 14 year olds are already having sex themselves.

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 9:53 AM ET
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I think 14 is a find age to read these. They are actually very moral books. i.e.: no sex until marriage, total commitment, etc.

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