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Subject: anyone interested in swapping kindle books
Date Posted: 8/20/2012 9:52 AM ET
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Heres what I have:

on the island by tracey garves graves (this just came out in print) very good book

colters daughter by maya banks

colters lady by maya banks

with this ring, i thee wed by ruth ann nordin another good bood

just pm me

Date Posted: 8/20/2012 12:21 PM ET
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You night want to recheck "On the Island", as it's not listed as Lendable.

I have an account at Lendle.me, and if anyone would like to borrow any on my list, no problem! I have about 1,900 listed for Lends, under the name Duskyrose.

Lendle has been awful slow to load though. They may be swamped since Lendink went down.

Date Posted: 8/20/2012 1:07 PM ET
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Thanks for that Cindy- been looking for a place to do the Lendable book thing.  I've not got very many and need to see what I can and cannot lend.

Date Posted: 8/20/2012 1:26 PM ET
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I've not got very many and need to see what I can and cannot lend.

Yeah, that can be a pain. At least Amazon usually tells you when you go to the page where you purchased your Kindle book. It should say at the top you can lend it.  Or you can check down in the listings....

Lending: Enabled

Or you can check in the "Manage your Kindle" accounts. You could just enter it into the book lending site of your choice, but that won't remind you if you've already lent it out or not.

One tip on lending sites is that a lot of people list all the new freebies they pick up that are lendable. So if you see one you want, check Amazon first, it still may be free! Better than spending a credit on a two-week loan. Then if you don't like it, just hit 'delete'.

And even better, you can go to http://www.ereaderiq.com and click on the "Free Kindle Books" tab. There you can focus your search, hold your cursor over a book and the summary will pop up, and if you register you can list a lot of books you want to be notified when they finally come out in Kindle format or get an alert when an eBook drops down into a price you want.

You can also import your Amazon Wish List if it's public, and then set what price you want to be notified at if the price drops.

eReaderiq is a great site, and lists on average about 300-400 of the new Kindle Freebies every day. (Mostly Porn on some days, true, but you can filter that out unless you like porn. ; ) 

Date Posted: 8/21/2012 5:00 PM ET
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Another lending site is eBookFling.com.  Their site seems to work faster than Lendle when loading your books or searching for a book to borrow.  When you post a book to them it shows if it is lendable or not, but not if your copy has already been loaned.

Lendle sends your request out to everyone they have with a copy, so you usually get quick response from at least one person.

eBookFling, just sends your request to one person with a copy, and sometimes that person won't respond for a while so it may take a while. 

They also have a set of books that have been pre-loaned, what they call an instant fling.  If the book you want is on their instant fling list you can get it right away.  You can earn credits by listing your books to their instant fling system.  They keep them for a week to see if someone wants them.  If no one wants them, you keep the credit, the book comes back to you, still lendable.  You can put the same books up for instant fling multiple times until someone actually reads it.

I use ereaderiq to get free books, and list them on the above two sites.  Gets me a lot of credits to pick up the currently not free ones to read to go along with ones I have gotten for free.

Also in eReaderIQ, you can tell it to show list mode, covers, and full description so you don't have to hover over the title as mentioned.  It pays to set up the way you want it to search, and display results and save those settings.  Then when you come back you can just tell it to save your settings and see just the ones you want.  I have two settings saved, one for my books, and one for my wife's books.

I generally see around 4000 non-porn books listed each day on eReaderIQ.  I find about 40-60 daily listed in the categories of Action/Adventure and Science Fiction, and 5-10 in the Christian category when looking for books for my wife.  She reads using her laptop and my Kindle Cloud reader account.

Date Posted: 8/22/2012 8:53 AM ET
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 I have an account at Lendle.me, and if anyone would like to borrow any on my list, no problem! I have about 1,900 listed for Lends, under the name Duskyrose.

How do you search for a person's books on Lendle? Punching in your name, Cindy, doesn't work. I don't have Facebook, maybe that's what you need?

Date Posted: 8/22/2012 10:21 AM ET
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How do you search for a person's books on Lendle?

Ah, good question! I thought that you used to be able to type in someone's username and their page would pull up. Been a while though, and now I can't find how to do it.

Give me a bit, and I'll see about some other way to get people a list.

Date Posted: 8/22/2012 11:43 AM ET
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I could not find how to search for a person either unless they were my facebook friend and I dont want my account linked to FB. 

thanks for that other free book site, it's awesome.

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Date Posted: 8/22/2012 6:13 PM ET
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How does lending work? Can you lend books without the help of a site? Can't you just send a file to someone else via computer like any other file? I assume being non-drm has something to do with that ability. 

Date Posted: 8/22/2012 6:41 PM ET
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I have a kindle fire and i have to go on amazon to send mine to someone else

Date Posted: 8/22/2012 8:35 PM ET
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How does lending work? Can you lend books without the help of a site?

For the Kindle (Haven't tried the Nook loans yet.) If you have a Lendable Kindle book you go to the main page while signed in, and at the top it'll have a link at that says "Loan this book to anyone you choose." Click the link and it'll give you a small form to fill out. All you really have to have is the email that the other person uses for their Kindle account. Put that in and click "loan".

Amazon will send them an email saying someone has offered them a book loan. If they want it to click a link. They click the link and it takes them to an Amazon page that reminds them that the loan is only good for two weeks.

If they click it they can sent it to any of their devices. It'll show up in their library if they want to send it to another device.

During the two weeks the original owner can't read the book. After the two weeks Amazon takes it out of the borrowers library and returns it to the owners library.

One loan, for two weeks per book.

Can't you just send a file to someone else via computer like any other file?

Physically you could. But that's illegal and wouldn't work on their device anyway.

Part of the deal with the authors is that Amazon had to guarantee that only one person can have the book at a time, only one loan. If you just sent someone a copy of your file that they could open without problem, you'd both have a copy and no one could be sure that both didn't keep it. And then 'lend' them out endlessly.

This way, the copy the owner has is DRM'd to their account, and when the new person gets the loan it's DRM'd to their account.

I assume being non-drm has something to do with that ability.

They may have un-drm'ed loaner books, but you still have to go through Amazon. And, IIRC, if you didn't finish the book in two weeks you can't borrow it from someone else. They know you've had a loan, so if you want to read a copy you have to buy it from them or get it from somewhere else.

The authors have the choice to have their books in two different lending programs, the Two-Week Loan and the Kindle Prime Members. They get more royalty share for choosing to loan. I don't remember what the KDP cut is, but if and author chooses the Two-Week loan per book, they get 70% royalty on every sale. If they don't chose it, they get only 35% royalty for each sale. So, in effect, Amazon is giving them a royalty share on every loanable book for two copies, even if no one ever borrows that second copy.

And the books aren't always loanable forever. I've had many book that were loanable when I bought them, but the loan ran out before I could lend them.

 

 



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Date Posted: 8/23/2012 11:26 AM ET
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You can find a person in Lendle if you give them the URL to their profile. Here's mine:

http://lendle.me/users/47768/

(You can find your profile by clicking on well...Your Profile, just underneath of 'Find your Friends.')

I guess On The Island is not lendable anymore because it used to be. I know I lent my copy!

 



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Date Posted: 8/23/2012 11:30 AM ET
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Oh and another book lending site I use is Booklending.com. I've gotten tons of books from there.

Date Posted: 8/23/2012 11:34 AM ET
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Thanks, D.G.! Mine should be...

http://lendle.me/users/25976/

I've been trying to get some sort of list of the site rather than start over, but I'm having problems.



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Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 8/24/2012 2:18 PM ET
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Can't you just send a file to someone else via computer like any other file?
 
Physically you could. But that's illegal and wouldn't work on their device anyway.
 
It may be illegal but it does work. My Kindle came with no instructions and I didn't know anything about it so I had to figure it out and how I figured out to load books was just connect the kindle to my computer and copy the files to it's document file. Works great. Once I got the basics down I could read the downloaded instruction manual but there was nothing included that would get me as far as that, I had to figure it out so they way I use it isn't always the same as the manual says. The books I transfer this way don't show up on my Amazon list, which is why I was wondering about lending them by the file. I assume the only lendable books would be the ones that are listed on my kindle account? And if I connected with one of these lending sites the only books that would show up on them are the same ones that are on Amazon? 
Date Posted: 8/24/2012 2:31 PM ET
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Barb- working is not the point here.  Sending files that way is illegal, the only legal way to lend books is either via amazon or however barnes and noble does it.
Yes transfering files does work, but you have no way to know if they delete the files from their kindle afterwards, where as the lend version just auto deletes after 2 weeks.

My kindle came with no instruction booklets either, just what is on the device, as that is how all the newer ones come. To get it on your kindle and in your account I think you have email it to the kindle.  BUT unless the publisher has said it's lendable, it cannot be lent.

Date Posted: 8/24/2012 3:02 PM ET
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It may be illegal but it does work.

You're talking about 'side loading' or putting books on a device not through the store. Side loading is not illegal. There are a ton of Public Domain books and fanfic that you can load onto most any device and if they're in the right format they're legal and will open up.

But you can't trade Amazon books with someone who has a different Amazon account than you do and have their machine open your books unless they don't have DRM. (Not all Amazon books have DRM). That's why people get more than one kindle per family and put them all on one account, so that they all can read the same books from the same account so they'll all use the same code number to open them.

This lets close friends/family share, as long as you're willing to see each other's purchases and trust them with the credit card tied to the account. My Mom and Dad share an account, and each have a Kindle. But they can't send me books I could use, because my Kindle has a seperate account. So the book wouldn't open on my machine even if we tried.

Even the authors who give away free books with no DRM usually ask that you don't trade them, but point them to where they can get the book for free. Part of them giving away free books of their own is to get traffic to their web site and see their adds. So they'd rather you send people their way for the freebie.

I assume the only lendable books would be the ones that are listed on my kindle account?

You have to have them in your account, and they have to be labled as lendable. And some aren't lendable forever. If go to "Manage My Kindle" there's a button on the right. If you click on it and if you don't see "Loan this title" then it's not loanable.

 

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Date Posted: 8/25/2012 1:13 PM ET
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It's not just files that may or may not be legal, none of the ones that I get from posts here that are given away on other sites are listed on my Amazon inventory. I have the sync turned on and connect my kindle to my computer and have opened my Amazon account while it's connected to transfer books from there that I didn't have room to directly download when they were offered so I guess it doesn't communicate both ways? Can you force a sync? Or does it just not recognize the non-Amazon titles and you can't lend those? 

Date Posted: 8/25/2012 1:34 PM ET
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Barb- I don't think it will recognise titles .

Cindy- I meant more books bought from other ebook sites rather then public domain books, lending books bought from other places(or even priced free) it's not legal to loan to another person, unless it states in the terms of use that you are allowed to do so.

Date Posted: 8/25/2012 2:52 PM ET
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I meant more books bought from other ebook sites rather then public domain books, lending books bought from other places(or even priced free) it's not legal to loan to another person, unless it states in the terms of use that you are allowed to do so.

Yeah. Basically, unless the book/author says you can pass it around, best to think you can't.

It's not just files that may or may not be legal, none of the ones that I get from posts here that are given away on other sites are listed on my Amazon inventory.

How are you getting them?

If they're trying to loan you Kindle books, you should get an email from Amazon saying that someone wants to loan you a book. You click the link and it'll take you to an Amazon page just to complete the loan. You can then accept the loan, tell it where you want the loan sent, and it should then be listed in your Amazon account for two weeks.

Once listed in your library at Amazon, you should be able to send it to your device. If you're not getting an email saying someone has loaned you a kindle book, then you haven't actually borrowed one yet. You've just asked for one.

Some sites will offer to send your book to Amazon, to keep in their library. Pottermore and Baen do.

Which sites are you trying to get kindle books from that aren't working?

I have the sync turned on and connect my kindle to my computer and have opened my Amazon account while it's connected to transfer books from there that I didn't have room to directly download when they were offered so I guess it doesn't communicate both ways?

I make sure my Kindle is charged and has Wifi on. Then I select which book I want while on the "Manage My Kindle" page at Amazon, then click on the button on the right and click "Send to my [Kindle]". Usually in a minute or so I see the kindle downloading the book.

If I forget to turn the wifi on, (since I don't leave it on) then I turn it on and sync it up and the books are delivered.

If you don't have wifi, but need to use the USB cable, then maybe someone else knows? I haven't done it that way yet.

Once in a while I've had to do the "Send to my Kindle" twice before the book showed up. But so far they always have.

If you're using Overdrive, that I can't help with, as I've never used it.

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Date Posted: 8/25/2012 4:49 PM ET
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I've done them both wifi and USB, getting books isn't an issue. You know the other thread with free Kindle books from other sites? Loke freepartey.com. I mean books from there. I download them from the site by wifi usually and they are on my kindle just fine but they aren't part of the inventory on Amazon. I've reached my storage limit on my kindle so if I want to add any to it I have to make some room by hooking up the USB and physically transfering the book's file to a storage file on my computer rather than being able to delete it from my kindle and having it still stored on my Amazon account in case I want it back later. Lendable or not, shouldn't they show up on my Amazon account? 

Date Posted: 8/25/2012 7:54 PM ET
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Barb, I've never heard of that site, nor does it pull up anywhere on Google or Bing, so I don't know what type of books they offer, or what formats.

Lendable or not, shouldn't they show up on my Amazon account?

No, Amazon just manages the books you buy/borrow/lend from them. Unless the other sites send the books to Amazon for you, (like the two I mentioned, Pottermore or Baen) Amazon won't (theoretically) see them.

As far as anyone knows, they don't seem to scan your Kindle for it's content. They know what you've bought and downloaded through their site, but they don't manage/handle/know about anything you side load on the kindle yourself. I put a ton of fanfic on my kindle, and it'll never show up on Amazon. (Which is great, because frankly, I think their book manager sucks big time. It's beyond horrible. I use Calibre.)

(There's always arguments that maybe they do, maybe they don't.... No one knows for 100% sure. There's only one case I know of where Amazon removed a book from people's Kindles, when they found that someone had uploaded for sale a book they didn't own the copyright too. To avoid legal problems, Amazon removed the book from all Kindles and refunded people's money. Plenty of people were pissed that Amazon had done so without their permission. They took a lot of flak for it at the time. I don't know what they'd do if they had the same situation, since they don't want to piss all their customers off. I've never heard of anything about them even knowing about side-loaded books.)

To save the stories/books/files you'll need to copy them to a file on your drive and then make sure and back them up. You don't want to lose them some day if your hard drive crashes. Never count on any web site to hold your library. Nothing on the internet is forever.

 

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Date Posted: 8/26/2012 12:12 PM ET
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Sorry, I spelled that wrong. It's freepartay.com. Someone always posts here in the deals thread when they post new books for free. 

Date Posted: 8/26/2012 12:37 PM ET
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The ones I saw on the home page were just links to Amazon. They're probably an affiliate, who gets a few cents every time someone goes to Amazon from their site and buys a book. (Like PBS does.) And the free listings are just ways to get people to the site.

I find http://www.ereaderiq.com/free/ has a better, more up-to-date listing of freebies, and you can search easier. They don't get every free Amazon book listed, but seem to be the best for me so far.

Since they all take you to the Amazon page to get the book, any book you click on "Buy Now with 1 click" should put it in your "Mangage Your Kindle" library. (which is a PITA to search and do anything with.)

I haven't ever used the cloud service with Amazon, since I don't really like the idea of cloud storage, but maybe that would be easier for you to use?

Date Posted: 8/29/2012 6:48 PM ET
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All of the books you buy from Amazon are "in the cloud" or the archives. If you have too many books on your Kindle and they are from amazon, if you remove them from the device, they are still on your account. For more help with how to use your kindle go here and find your kindle model

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_kspot_getstarted?nodeId=200798820

 

Those pages will tell you a lot more than what is in the Kindle user guide.