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Subject: This atheist finds he needs a foxhole
Date Posted: 5/21/2008 1:05 PM ET
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http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/article483665.ece

"Hall, 23, served two combat tours in Iraq, winning the Combat Action Badge. But he's now stationed at Fort Riley, Kan., having been returned stateside early because the Army couldn't ensure his safety.

There is something deeply amiss when we send soldiers on a mission to engender peaceful coexistence between Sunni and Shiite Muslims, yet our military doesn't seem able to offer religious tolerance to its own."

What a shame.  A young man serves two tours in Iraq and because he refuses to join in a prayer and religious services, he is threatened and sent stateside for his own safety. 

 

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 1:15 PM ET
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In another episode, after his gun turret took a bullet that almost found an opening, the first thing a superior wanted to know was whether Hall believed in Jesus now, not whether he was okay.

Weinstein says recruitment is easy in a strict command-subordinate military where the implied message is, if you don't pray the right way, your career might stall.

Just unbelievable, how far this fundamentalist beast can go.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 1:21 PM ET
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Date Posted: 5/21/2008 1:56 PM ET
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WOW!  My dad spent 30+ years in the Army, and I don't think it EVER occurred to him to ask a soldier's religion, let alone force his on them.... things have changed, and not for the good!

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/21/2008 2:24 PM ET
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Not surprising in the least.  This is a religious war as much as it's a war for oil.  They're just following their leaders.

(Remember the "Great Crusader" comments?)

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 3:17 PM ET
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(Remember the "Great Crusader" comments?)

Yeah, and I remember that idiot general (Franks?) at the beginning of the war who said "Our God is better than their God."

Most days I don't believe America is a theocracy - you know, compared to Saudi Arabia and the like.  But when I read stuff like this, I change my mind.

 

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 11:36 PM ET
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This is one of the reasons that I'm actually weird enough to support the draft.  I think it would be a very good thing for the military.  We'd get more diversity among the members, and eventually among the commanders.  Right now, the military is a separate world from the rest of America, and that is just not a healthy situation for the military or for the country.

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 7:45 AM ET
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Navy vet here, son served in the Army, grandchildren have been or are in active service in every branch except the Coast Guard. No one in Iraq at present, thank you, Lord. What I experienced, and what my kids tell me, is that a generic Protestant Christianity is sort of taken for granted - it's just assumed that you'll want to join in the prayer breakfasts, even if you're Jewish - and is seen as an American cultural thing.

I / they did not experience pushy preaching and overt discrimination so much as this ... assumption that you and everyone else in the world is a Christian.

My commanding officer in the Navy was Jewish. This was 60 years ago, right after the War. I can't say whether it impeded his career. If I could remember his name, I'd Google him.

In any event, and however one-sided or distorted the news story may be, there's got to be a kernal of truth at the base of it, and that's wrong, wrong, wrong. The Constitution guarantees us freedom from religion if that is what we choose.

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 7:51 AM ET
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Preface:  NOT preaching, just stating something I believe and I promise I won't quote scripture.

As a Christian I'm not surprised by what ya'll have said here about the young man (didn't have time to read the link), as an individual that believes the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy I know that a time is coming very soon where even I will not be allowed to worship as I choose...that being keeping the Biblical Sabbath, not Sunday like the papal leaders would like for me too.

I'll be honest here (oh so please don't snark me), I believe my religion is the right one BUT...finish reading here....BUT, I feel that everyone should have the right to choose because the minute one person's right to choose their religious or non-religious beliefs is taken away mine may be next.  I may not agree with what you believe but, I 100% believe you have the right to believe it if you want too.

Oh and please don't enact the draft...this would only be one more step toward taking away our rights...

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:21 AM ET
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How sad......remind me what our country is supposedly fighting for again?  You know, this is why I have stopped saying the "Under God" part of the Pledge of Allegiance.    Our country is so hypocritical sometimes.

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 10:05 AM ET
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 I feel that everyone should have the right to choose because the minute one person's right to choose their religious or non-religious beliefs is taken away mine may be next.  I may not agree with what you believe but, I 100% believe you have the right to believe it if you want too. Right on, Christy.

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Date Posted: 5/22/2008 8:58 PM ET
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When I was in boot camp..there was a huge blow up between me and a bunch of other recruits because..I  am pagan and they were christian...I was accused of being a traitor and a liar (because I couldn't possibly have meant my oath of enlistment if I didn't say so help me god)..then they went on to say that my service would be a farce...blah, blah, blah...Nobody of rank was involved..but it was eye-opening and certainly not the last time I encountered such ignorance while I was in the Marines...