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L. G. (L)
Subject: Do we need an atheists/agnostics/Pagan/other forum?
Date Posted: 5/4/2008 7:31 AM ET
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Since the Christians have their forum, and the Jewsih members recently got a Jewish forum, is it time that we ask for our own safe-haven?  This forum used to be the catch-all for all non-Christian participants, but now it seems, it's inundated with proselytization and heavy Christian content.  I personally, want to be able to discuss religion and spirituality without being preached to by anyone.

If there is enough interest, I'll propose it to R & TPTB.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 8:16 AM ET
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Put me down for a yes.  I was actually very interested in hearing about the smudging and other cleansing rituals, but walked away from it when it turned into "the only cleansing you need is Jesus"....

 

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 10:52 AM ET
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Yes please!

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 11:22 AM ET
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I think that is a great idea!! I was thinking about the same thing last night after I got off the computer....lol

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 11:27 AM ET
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The Christian forum is "Christian Book Recommendations".  I had some discussions in there but felt bad sincethey did not relate to books.  I didn't know posting questions for Christians in here was a problem.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 11:30 AM ET
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Shannon,

It's not a problem, not at all.  You should feel welcome to do that.  However, as some one who is interested in exploring other religions, I should also be welcome to do that without ending up in a "Come-To-Jesus" talk. 

Don't you agree that I should be as welcome to discuss other religions as you are to discuss you're Christianity?

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/4/2008 12:06 PM ET
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I said in my header "atheists/agnostics/Pagan/other" but it could be "Eastern and Other Thought and Religion" which would encompass Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, as well as those which generally fall under "New Age," "Pagan,"  "Wiccan," etc. - God I hate labels!

Shannon wrote: I didn't know posting questions for Christians in here was a problem.

It's not as long as people don't proselytize, which they can't seem to refrain from doing.

 

Flobee -
Date Posted: 5/4/2008 12:57 PM ET
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I agree with LG, it seems that proselytizing seems to be infiltrating nearly every forum. Why can't a forum that is non-Christian (I can't think of a "label" either)  be a safe-haven from proseltyzing, evangelism, whatever you want to call it. If I want to read that type of post, I would not be looking at a non-Christian forum.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 1:15 PM ET
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I think it sucks that people can't just respect the repeated requests for no proselytizing, and then have the nerve to get all offended when people start getting really aggravated and voicing it...

 

Could just be me egsaggerating (you know, I have been trying to find the proper spelling for that word and no matter how I spell it it doesn't look right..and I can't seem to find it in my dictionary) again though. 

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 1:24 PM ET
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Personally, I would love to see a forum here where we could discuss things - anything at all - without someone hitting me over the head with a Bible. And I'm a Christian! Enough already with the non-stop, hate-filled, holier than thou, Pharisee praying on the street corner, fear-mongering proselytizing. Enough!

Um, L, that's a vote for, in case I didn't make myself clear.

Les

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 1:51 PM ET
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I totally agree that there should be no proselytizing anywhere where it is unsolicited but appearently according to a few people in my force feeding thread they cant help it so maybe they should just stick the the Christian forum so that they wont be tempted.

PS I heart Lester.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 2:02 PM ET
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PS I heart Lester.

 

LOL

Me too!

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 2:02 PM ET
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I agree with you all.  I find it very interesting to hear Christian perspectives on some issues.  I appreciate it when their opinions are presented in a respectful way, explaining their beliefs and why they hold them.  I read (though almost never comment on) threads about Christianity.  I would be sorry to lose the opportunity to hear from them.

But I really can't take it when every single thread is used as a vehicle to beat us all over the head with the desire to convert us.  For anyone who has ever done that, I have to tell you that you are driving us away from Christianity, not drawing us in.

So that would be a yes.  A reluctant one, but it appears that it is needed.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 3:00 PM ET
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I don't thump.....well, I thump, but only as punishment for page-topping in the offended thread. ;) But really, let's not lump the thumps. We really can learn from one another. I've learned many a thing just by being WITH....I learned about the unitarians from L....I just got my very first formal lesson in smudging....

We can coexist. There are over-the-tops in all faiths, aren't there? Wouldn't you rather ignore the few to get the good from the rest? I come in here to learn about other faiths, not to cram my Bible down your throat (it's large print, so it would be a tight fit) ;)

The specific forums (Christian, Judaism) are BOOK RECOMMENDATION forums. I see this forum as a place to (respectfully) learn and grow together. I'd hate to see it too segregated. I'd still come and play in your forum if you got your own, though, if I was welcome. I don't see why anyone would ONLY want to be with people just like them. What's the fun in that? =)

 

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 3:11 PM ET
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As someone who lobbied long for a Jewish forum, I certainly agree!  I was disapointed that when we finally got it, it was framed as just a "book recommendation" forum, but it doesn't stop us from discussing other things. 

I don't understand anyone's need to proselytize.  The same people who have upset you here have been known to go into the GLBT forum and preach at us.  Talk about passive agressive!

I like to read the posts in here occassionaly, because sometimes you guys get into really interesting discussions.  But then someone starts using their bible as a weapon, and I just can't stand it.  So I'm with L on this one.  It seems the only way to weed out the interference is to separate.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 3:14 PM ET
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Jeanne, you just made the same point that I did in another thread. Making a separate forum won't stop them. They will come in lookin' for souls to save. Signed, A Christian

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 3:16 PM ET
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Yes, please!  I would be much more likely to post if it felt like a safer space for someone with my outlook.  Good Idea, L!

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 3:59 PM ET
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I think its a good idea... however, good luck getting the Aethists to assemble.

*laughs at her own little Aethist joke*

 

:)

Signed,

Kelly (lazy, non-assembling Aethist)

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 4:21 PM ET
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BAHAHAH! Sorry but I had to post just to say that I LOL'd at that. :) I lurk here but I don't typically post because of people like Tamara.
L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/4/2008 4:29 PM ET
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Michelle wrote: Jeanne, you just made the same point that I did in another thread. Making a separate forum won't stop them. They will come in lookin' for souls to save. Signed, A Christian

While that might be true, I haven't seen them do so in the Jewish forum - yet.  I suspect they don't have the gall.

The point is, we have no safe place to go.  We are open targets because we are lumped into this heap with everyone - including the the extremists.  You can go back to the Chrisitian forum and not have fear that I, or Chris, or whomever is going to come popping in to tell you the wonders of the Earth Goddess and try to convert you.  We have no such safe haven.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 5:07 PM ET
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L....Jews are the "chosen ones" and Christians really don't have a bone to pick with them. I won't go too deep into it, but *generally speaking*, Jewish folks are safer than "pagans" in that regard.

Also, when you put it in the "safe haven" sense, I get it. I understand. Everyone should have a place like that. I hope you all find a good solution.

*laughs at Kelly's athiest joke too* lol

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 5:14 PM ET
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Jews are the "chosen ones" and Christians really don't have a bone to pick with them. I won't go too deep into it, but *generally speaking*, Jewish folks are safer than "pagans" in that regard.

I know some Jews who will disagree with this.  :)

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 5:16 PM ET
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Kari, yeah, that's why I prefaced it with *generally speaking*. Nice & safe there. lol How about this...People at my Baptist church here in Pueblo, CO see Jewish people as specially chosen ones and do not try to convert them. =) There. That's accurate enough. lol

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 5:43 PM ET
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I think that L. has a point when she talks about how it would be good to have a place for those of us who are non-Christian to talk amongst ourselves.  In the "force feeding" thread Michelle said:

Chris, this *is* the religion and spirituality forum. When you come in here, you take the chance of seeing stuff about other religions. Everyone takes the same chance. =)

And that's the point.  It would be nice to have a place where we don't have to "take the chance" and talk amongst those who are at least sympathetic even if they don't share our religious or spiritual beliefs. 

Michelle, I have always found you to be a positive force and never felt that you were trying to push your religion down my throat.  Which is part of the reason why I think L. is probably right, in a paradoxical way.  If you don't see how some of the things that were done in some threads are a problem, that just confirms my opinion that it's probably time to set up an alternative because in some ways the division appears to be unbridgeable.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 6:44 PM ET
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Just to add my 2 cents again. I definitely respect other people's rights to have their forums but it is not always 100% safe. I've seen some subjects on the Christian forum get attention from the outside that was negative.

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