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Subject: Audio Books shipped without their containers AARGH!!!
Date Posted: 5/26/2009 11:10 PM ET
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I see that the PBS policy says is that it is "okay" to ship audio books without their original cases? WHY!!!!

Who wants a bunch of loose CDs or cassettes floating around in a box or padded envelope. I have received two audio books this week with no container.  The CDs were in plastic or paper sleeves- one packed in a padded envelope the other in a used grocery store box.

With no case how am I suppose to store it or even identify the book on my book shelf?
 Is this a new trend or something? An audio book without a case is like getting a paper book with the front and back coovers ripped off! Please, tell me why it is okay not to include the case!!  I really hate this!!

Am I the only one this bothers?

Lynn

Date Posted: 5/26/2009 11:14 PM ET
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Lynn, while I don't order audio books myself, I can see where this would be a real annoyance. I think I'm the kind of person who would always want the container to store the CDs or cassettes in.

Have you considered adding that as an RC for audio books? If you specify that you will only accept audio books that come with their original containers, you can now turn off your RC when you're ordering "regular," not audio books.

Amy

Date Posted: 5/26/2009 11:41 PM ET
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They aren't required for the same reason hardcovers don't have to have dust jackets. They are still useable without the case.  I would have found a betterway to pack them though.

I would do the RC thing.  Just don't make it sound too picky like you only want a box in brand new condition. I got that RC once on a WL audiobook I posted.  No way was I risking a ding on perfectly postable CDS because the box had some minor flaw.  But I would accept just a plain "I only want audiobooks if they have the box they came with" or something to that effect.

Date Posted: 5/27/2009 9:06 AM ET
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Aside from what has already been said, another reason may be that the darn things don't last long. Even the boxes for the audio books I have purchased new have fallen apart on me. As long as it was packaged carefully and had all the discs, I wouldn't mind getting an audio book without its box. I would also suggest having an RC about this if it bothers you so much.
Date Posted: 5/27/2009 9:12 AM ET
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well- my mom could care less about the box the audios come in. and i know they do not last through here. she is going blind and cannot be bothered with cheaply made boxes that tear.

but i am sorry about the way those audios were shipped.

maybe an rc for future use- but i do have to say this. i order alot of audios here and most of them were not in the condition you described... so maybe it is just a string of bad ones for you right now...

Date Posted: 5/27/2009 9:59 AM ET
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I also order a lot of audiobooks through PBS and have never gotten them shipped like that.  So hopefully they will be the last you receive that way. 

I've never shipped them that way either.  In fact I have some Christine Feehan MP3cds that don't have their original case. I have avoided posting them even though they have a plastic protective case.



Last Edited on: 5/27/09 10:00 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/27/2009 10:14 AM ET
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Even if the box or cases are missing they are still to be shipped in other appropriate cases and not sent loose.

From the Help Docs:

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  • Audio CDs must be shipped in CD cases/DVD cases, to protect them from scratching, if the original box is missing
  • Date Posted: 5/27/2009 10:55 AM ET
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    Yes, I think they should be shipped in some sort of protective material, so they don't get scratched up. A sleeve is good for that, but I'd be leery of sending them in just ane envelope, although we've gotten in, and sent back, hundreds of Netflix DVD's in just the envelope provided, and have only received two broken ones. I can only guess they're sturdier than they seem.

    But DH shops around the audiobooks section in our local UBS, and even with them only taking in the nice ones, the original boxes are usually damaged in some way. I don't think they last very long, and are made of the cheapest stuff the producers can get away with. No surprise there.

    And once passed around, the case may not be worth saving, or the original owner may have chosen not to keep the case. I know with our DVD collection it was taking way too much space, so we changed the regular cases down to the slim-line cases. But then that too up too much room, so now they're in sleeves in nice DVD drawer, and where all 300+ took up a ton of room now they barely take up any at all. But if we were to trade them out or give them away, we're long past having the original packaging.

    If DH bought more Audio books than he rents off his web site, they'd be in the same place, a sleeve in a DVD drawer. Not everyone has the space for the boxes.

    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 1:10 AM ET
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    Just a suggestion...

    When you do get audio books with missing cases replacement cases aren't very expensive.  Most computer centers (like Micro Center) and office supply places sell multi CD/DVD cases.  With a little shopping around for a good mail-order source you could probably get a supply of them for under 50 cents each.  I believe there are also such cases for cassette tapes as well, but can't remember the last place I saw one.

    While it's not the same as getting the original case, it does provide protection for them, and an easy way to store them, without a lot of additional expense on your part.  (You could probably also print up covers to slip in the sleeve on the outside of the cases, using images from Amazon, etc., that would be close to the originals.)

    Heck, you might even decide to replace some of the original cases you already have, and get a nice, uniform look to your shelves.

    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 2:38 PM ET
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    For 2 credits per audiobook, I think one is "paying" more than enough for the case & all inserts. 

     

    ETA:  I have been fortunate to receive the cases & inserts with all audiobooks ordered here. 



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    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 4:46 PM ET
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    Many of the audio books I've had don't HAVE cases--they have paper CD holders in a box.  Some had cardboard holders in a box.  The box may or may not survive--they seem rather fragile.   When I ship out audio books you get what I have--if the cardboard box has survived you get it, if it hasn't you don't.  Iput the CDs in either the original cardboard/paper holders or go find new ones. I usually don't go digging up cases for CDs that didn't have them to start with.

    Just like for hardcovers, if you want to be sure to get the boxes you need to make an RC.  The DJs aren't integral parts of the books, and neither are the cases.

    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 5:29 PM ET
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    Just like for hardcovers, if you want to be sure to get the boxes you need to make an RC.  The DJs aren't integral parts of the books, and neither are the cases.

    Yes, this is important, since the site doesn't require the original boxes.

    And yeah, $7.00 for an audiobook is more than a regular book here, but at the UBS I've been at the used audiobooks on the shelves easily start at $20 and up, with boxes that aren't pristine, either. Once in a while you can find a $6 audiobooks, but not very often. DH says that renting is still the most cost effective way for him to go, as the used prices are still too high for him to want to take any home from the UBS. Too pricy.

    You'll just have to juggle the good and the bad of using an RC for them.

     

    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 5:46 PM ET
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    Just as one shouldn't have to repeat basic PBS guidelines for books, one shouldn't have to have an RC requesting cases for audio books when the guidelines for audio books clearly state they must be shipped in a case if the original box is missing.

    From the Help Docs:

    "Audio CDs must be shipped in CD cases/DVD cases, to protect them from scratching, if the original box is missing"

    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 6:06 PM ET
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    Just as one shouldn't have to repeat basic PBS guidelines for books, one shouldn't have to have an RC requesting cases for audio books when the guidelines for audio books clearly state they must be shipped in a case if the original box is missing.

    I'm not talking about just putting them in shipping cases. I'm talking about wanting them in the original cases. As Sheena says...

    For 2 credits per audiobook, I think one is "paying" more than enough for the case & all inserts.

    If that's what you want, you need to RC for it. Without it, I'd send audiobooks in some sort of protective case so they wouldn't get scratched up, but it may not be pretty, and certainly woudln't be original. The purpose would just be to get it there unscratched.

    If you want them in the original box, you need to let the sender know. Then I'd know for sure the requestor wouldn't want mine, since the orginal boxes haven't existed for quite a while.

     

    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 6:27 PM ET
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    I know what PBS help docs say about boxes & I know to have RCs if that's what I want.   geez, I was just talking about the cost of audios



    Last Edited on: 5/30/09 6:29 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
    Date Posted: 5/30/2009 6:33 PM ET
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    geez, I was just making a point about the cost of audios.

    I wasn't talking about  you specifically. Just the idea that people may need to ask for what they want, if it's important.

    Many people may not realize that original containers aren't required for the 2 credits.

     

     

    Date Posted: 6/8/2009 12:45 PM ET
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    ok, sorry Cindy for being grouchy!  :) 

    Date Posted: 6/8/2009 7:09 PM ET
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    I didn't know that audio books were expensive! I usually get them for $10-12 and that's even the longer ones - I'm listening to one now that I bought new for 9.99 and it's 12 CDs long!

    Date Posted: 6/8/2009 7:30 PM ET
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    I didn't know that audio books were expensive!

    Hey, when you've got a cheap source, take advantage! Lol

    DH only likes the scifi and fantasy, unabridged. And even used they're pricy around here even used. He figures the good, cheap ones go faster than he can get to them.

     

    Date Posted: 6/8/2009 8:26 PM ET
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    I sometimes find them that cheap new. Sometimes Amazon has them on clearence.  I found Anansi Boys brand new at Tuesday Morning for $10.  But in general they are more expensive to buy even used.  THey don't depreciate as fast as print books because they are still useable after the box falls apart. 

    I used to find a lot of them at half-price books but even then the good ones were always $10-$20. 

    Date Posted: 6/10/2009 10:58 PM ET
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    For anyone who is reading this and is interested, I have "The Forest House" by Marion Zimmer Bradley (abridged audio cassette) on my bookshelf. It still has shrink wrap on it and it is in its original case. I do not listen to audio books, but saw it at the Flying J truck stop while on vacay and thought someone here might like to have it. It may be brand new, but I couldn't say. I just got it super cheap thinking someone would appreciate it. I love Marion Zimmer Bradley!

    Date Posted: 6/13/2009 1:27 PM ET
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    I listen to and have received many audio CD's from here. Although all have been in great condition, I have one that I won't post because the box came apart too much to use and I had to throw it away. I could still post it and PM the member that wants it the condition, and I still may. Of course the choice is up to them and won't bother me in any way for them to decline the offer.

    On another note, I had one (plastic case) in my car, since that's where I listen to them, and the heat melted the plastic. The CD's are still good so I just put them in sleeves.

     

    In my case, I don't care if they come in the original box/plastic as long as the CD's are still playable.