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Subject: B&N ebook contracts
Date Posted: 4/11/2013 11:40 AM ET
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Just a heads up that some ebook authors will be leaving B&N because they came out with a NEW ebook contract  that everyone has to sign and it's not nice at all.

Basically (and I have read the contract) B&N is able to change the price of ANY ebook without permission by the author.  Unlike regular books where B&N pays a flat rate for 100, and discounting results in losses ONLY to B&N, ebooks aren't done that way.  If an ebook says it's $7.00 the author gets her royalties from that amount, if B&N change to price to $4.00 then the royalties come from the $4.00.  So the author looses out, and has no control over the price of their book. (unless they are with a  big publisher, so all independant or small publishers are screwed over).

They also do not state in their contract (unlike amazon or lulu.com) what the rate of royalties are, that alone would make me NOT sign with them.

Another point is, amazon has in their contract that if you have it on other sites for sale, then your amazon price must be the same or lower (can be a few cents). SO if B&N comes along and suddenly lowers your ebooks price, you are inbreach of your Kindle (amazon) contract and the ebook can be pulled frm their site. OR you have to lower the price for that ebook to match B&N. IE more lost money for the author.

http://hollylisle.com/writers-barnes-noble-nook-press-contract-terms-are-insanely-bad/  Another author talking about it with the contract excerts shown.

 



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Date Posted: 4/12/2013 8:13 AM ET
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It just looks like more and more they are pulling away from their ebook business and going to split it off. Anyone know how that affects books you've already purcahsed? If that author pulls out, do all her books go with her?

Date Posted: 4/12/2013 8:37 AM ET
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Anyone know how that affects books you've already purcahsed? If that author pulls out, do all her books go with her?

I would imagine so, but until it happens I don't know for sure. When the Agency pulled their books from FW, you couldn't download them again. Later, the links worked again for books already purchased, but you couldn't order them new.

Two books I bought from Waterstones before the geo-restrictions hit show up in my library at that store, but I can't download them again because I'm in the US. When I first bought them, they were legal for me to buy from them. Now I can't buy, and can't re-download, anything restricted to the UK.

I'd just backup in case the links disapear if an author leaves.

 

Date Posted: 4/12/2013 1:00 PM ET
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I think if it was a free book that could go away, but one you paid real hard earned cash for would stay.

The author would not blame the buyer, they just blame B&N.    So you'd have it on your ereader but not chance to download it again in the future.
 

Nancy talk is B&N doesn't want to deal with ebooks anymore, especially indie or small press authors that aren't charging the set HIGH price.  Because they don't make much money from them.

Date Posted: 4/12/2013 1:26 PM ET
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Dear Author mentioned this change and the ironic cheerful marketing type tone the notice had.  Oh look, a spiffy new entrance to distract authors from evil contract terms. 

Date Posted: 4/12/2013 3:08 PM ET
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Interesting. The weekly emails quit featuring Nook books some time ago and I didn't click to it. The only thing Nook that they've featured is but a tablet get a simple touch free or buy a tablet get a gift card. Ya think they're dumping hardware?
Date Posted: 4/12/2013 4:44 PM ET
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Amazon is out selling them at this point, BUT I don't think it's quality of product more like POOR service, lack of cheap books and not knowing how to treat their authors!    As someone who writes, and not even at aprofessional level, the number of emails I;ve gotten telling me protest B&N recently is astounding.
I do think they will do away with the ereaders over time and just stick to the color tablet which seems to sell better for them.  They lost the market when amazon started doing library books too. That was their only edge before.

Date Posted: 4/12/2013 6:39 PM ET
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Ya think they're dumping hardware?

Most people think they're trying to get what they can before they get stuck with the units. The biggest shareholder of B&N wants to buy B&N, but not the Nook/ebook part of the business. Microsoft put a lot of money into B&N just a few years ago, (or they would have gone under then) and some of the speculation is that maybe Microsoft will step into produce the machine to go with the web site.

But it wouldn't be a "Nook" as you know it. And it wouldn't be eInk, but their own tablet.

No news of Microsoft is at all interested, though. At this point, that'd be a company that makes bad decisions buying the assets of a company that makes bad decisions. Doesn't instill much hope on my end for either one of them in the ebook market.

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Date Posted: 6/2/2013 12:29 AM ET
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Amazon is out selling them at this point, BUT I don't think it's quality of product more like POOR service,

Boy isn't that the truth!  I just had a small rant about this very subject!  I've been a Nook fan since their first ereader, I have loved Nook, especially the Nook Color, but recent dealing with customer service has left me reconsidering being a B&N customer.  I am letting all my subscriptions run out and as soon as I can I'm going to try and download my books and back them up in Calibre. 

Since I bought an iPad I have been far happier with Amazon/Kindle than Nook.

Date Posted: 6/2/2013 12:33 AM ET
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I just told my MIL to take her Nook into the store for help as customer service hung up on her three times!  All she wanted to know was how to add a gift card to her account via the Nook.

Date Posted: 6/2/2013 12:24 PM ET
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Ya think they're dumping hardware?

I think the NST isn't that great of a unit, no matter what they say.  Personally I'm a huge fan of BN and the Nook, but I hate the NST.

Date Posted: 6/2/2013 2:10 PM ET
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I love my NST. I wish I had the shelving back form the N1 but I like the weight and the feel of the NST and have learned to work around the shelving issue.

Subject: Nook color
Date Posted: 6/21/2013 8:25 PM ET
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I bought a refurbished Nook color and I really enjoy it.  How would I back it up?? Would I have to load all the individual books  from my library first?  I have mostly free books...ok I am a cheapskete! surprise

Date Posted: 6/22/2013 10:20 AM ET
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just go to BN.com and your Nook account and download all your ebooks into a folder on your computer or to a SD card.

Date Posted: 9/30/2013 3:41 PM ET
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Sounds like B&N has a death wish. Alienating customers and authors alike -- I really wonder what their execs are thinking.