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Subject: Book Condition Question
Date Posted: 1/26/2010 10:50 AM ET
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I recently received a book that I marked received without problems.  Upon closer inspection, however, the outer edges of the first approx. 45 pages are a little wavy.  I can see no stain of any kind on the pages.  I think if it were water damage, there would be some kind of water stain on the pages. 

The binding is intact and all the pages are secure and readable, although it is clearly an older "well loved" book.  I don't want to get in trouble for posting the book.  Is this considered water damage or not?   Could someone please help me clarify?


Thanks. 

 

 

 

 

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 11:05 AM ET
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Usually, water damage wiil leave the paper feeling rougher and scratchier than undamaged paper.  Lots of the newer  books are using recycled paper which is more easily affected by humidity and will make pages ripple.  Often if you can get them under a even heavy weighted object the paper will straighten out.  Sometimes you find them on the store's shelves that way brand new. 

Ruth

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 11:47 AM ET
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The wavy pages aren't rough.  I was thinking about applying a warm iron to them to maybe straighten them out.  Good idea or bad idea?  

 

thanks for the suggestion.  I don't know if the heavy books would do the job since I've alread used clamps on the book with no change in waviness.

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 11:53 AM ET
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Water doesn't necessarily stain.   After all, it has no color itself unless its dirty water.   It may cause a sort of pooling of the colors of the object it gets on thus creating a sort of stain, but it may not.  To me, wavy pages are usually water damage.   If its seems like it might be just mild humidity damage and the object isn't smelly, I'd probably post it and PM the requestor before I sent it.   But if its obviously from spilt or absorbed water or smells like mold, I won't post it (at least not purposely).   And if I receive something with wavy pages that obviously looks like its from water and not just general use or mild humidity, I do mark it as received with a problem.  Really any significant humidity (which is water) damage to me is questionable.   Mold can make a person sick (you don't have to be allergic to it).       

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 12:40 PM ET
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I often iron pages that have been affected by humidity and it works just fine.

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 8:50 PM ET
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thanks for the feedback and help.  I think it may be a combination of recyled paper and high humidity.  I'll try ironing the edges an bit & see what happens.  Maybe I should check to see what state the book came from?  If its from a high humidity state, that might explain it, especially if the sender didn't have A/C. 


If I can't fix it so its unnoticeable, I will PM the requestor before sending, if it is requested.  Then again, it's a great book, so I just may designate it a "keeper."   There is no mold or any other visible damage or I wouldn't even consider posting it. 



Last Edited on: 1/26/10 8:51 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/3/2010 11:25 AM ET
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Update:  I've now ironed the pages and then clamped them in a vise after ironing.  After being clamped overnight, the waviness is hardly noticeable.

I feel much better about sending it out now, but I will still pm the requestor to let them know about some slight waviness in the first 40 pages & give them the oppoopportunity to accept or decline.  I think it's in completely postable conditions and I wouldn't have any qualms whatsoever about accepting it myself. 
Upon looking into it further, I'm sure the book is recycled paper since it's a newer one and it was last in Alabama before I received it.  High summer humidity combined with recycled paper were no doubt the problem.  


I will need to remind myself to check future books more carefully.  I should have reported this one, I think.  One should not have to "work" on a book to make it ppostable.   I think it did not arrive in postable condition, but it is now.  Maybe I didn't look to closely because it's a great book I really wanted to read.  Nearly decided to keep it. 

 

 

Date Posted: 2/3/2010 1:00 PM ET
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Thanks for the update on ironing...I never would have thought of that (my iron isn't one of my most used appliances, lol), and waviness is sometimes an issue since I live in Florida not far from the coast  and enjoy having the windows open whenever possible. :-)

Date Posted: 2/4/2010 11:30 AM ET
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Here's how I ironed it.  I set the iron to the cotton setting with the steam OFF (important) and no water in the iron.  I placed a small piece of white cottton t-shirt cloth over the page and ironed two pages @ a time for approx. 20-30 seconds each.  Works pretty well.  I think clamping them afterward helped too.