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Subject: Book Condition Question
Date Posted: 12/3/2011 5:38 PM ET
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I read the posting rules several times regarding books and I can not find a clear answer on this.

I received a book where the cover of the book is "bent" and curls up away from the pages of the book.  Now I am aware that this does not affecting the reading of the actual book and the less then 1 inch tear in the spine is also acceptable. 

What is the rule about covers?  Do you actually need to list a requestor condition about covers that are flat?

 

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 5:41 PM ET
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I think the only thing that would apply to covers is the general, "not excessively worn".

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 square inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY


Last Edited on: 12/3/11 5:42 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 12/3/2011 6:55 PM ET
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There's no requirement for covers or pages to lie flat so, as Cozi said, if it is something you require then, yes, you need to add Requestor Conditions for it.

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 8:09 PM ET
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Sometimes I think people 'roll'  the books as their reading, and then again I've had books where the front cover started to curl and I don't roll my books.  Don't know if it's the way the book was made or what.  Pat

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 8:43 PM ET
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Yup, if you want covers that do not curl, you must add a RC for that. Otherwise, it's postable, along with bent and folded pages (also postable).

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 12:03 AM ET
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Sometimes I think people 'roll'  the books as their reading,

Ugh!  One of my sisters did this to one of my books.  I never loaned her a book again.  I was so angry!

 I've had books where the front cover started to curl and I don't roll my books.

That's happened to me, too.

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 12:29 PM ET
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Maybe it's just my interpretation of this site, but, afterall, these are used books. 

Books get worn over time as they get read, opened, closed, etc.  You get an older book that has traveled to many homes and many readers, you can tell it's been read/used.  If you go to the library, a used book store, a yard/garage sale, sometimes, the conditions are worse.

If you want a perfect condition, never read book, there are book stores for that.  I understand the rules are there for a reason and meant to keep the nasty, junk books from being swapped, but I also know there is a thing called 'common sense' when sending and receiving books. 

Used means 'not new'.  I actually prefer the used books for the fact they are already broken in - kinda like shoes that need to be worn before they are comfortable to wear - books need to be opened and closed for them to be comfortable - otherwise they are just too stiff sometimes.

Sorry - just a few too many issues with people posting about books that aren't in 'perfect' condition. 

 

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 1:02 PM ET
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Actually - I don't think the site even mentions "used" books.  That is what people assume they are going to get and of course what most of us do get.  But if you want a "like new" book, you are entitled to ask for it.  That is the reason the site allows RC's.

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 3:31 PM ET
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Cover curling or bending isn't explicitely stated so even though severe curling could probably fall under not in "good condition" I would be on the safe side and put something in an RC if you didn't want the covers curling or bent. With the current book I would try bending it back the other direction a bit and the laying it flat under something heavy to see if you can get it to lay down flat again.

 

If you want a perfect condition, never read book, there are book stores for that.

There is also PBS! There was over 300,000 members last I heard and there are many of us who swap like new and even new books! You just need to use an RC to let people know if that is what you are looking for. PBS is not just meant for people that are willing to accept books with wear-n-tear and there are many members that are perfectly willing to work with RCs so don't be afraid to set one up. The great thing about PBS is that it has swappers of any kind, some that just want a book they can read, some that are doing their gift shopping, some that a looking for keepers. Everyone has their own reason for being here and Requester Conditions are what allow us to let senders know what we are looking for if it isn't expicitely stated in the rules already.

Cover curling or bending isn't explicitely stated so even though severe curling could probably fall under not in "good condition" I would be on the safe side and put something in an RC if you didn't want the covers curling or bent. With the current book I would try bending it back the other direction a bit and the laying it flat under something heavy to see if you can get it to lay down flat again.