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Hayden -
Subject: Book counts/members wishing
Date Posted: 11/30/2010 10:34 PM ET
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Why doesn't PBS show either the book count (number of copies available) or members wishing for every book on every screen? Am I the only one that takes these things into account when I make a decision? That information would be useful!

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 10:43 PM ET
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I agree.. if I posted an older book and saw that 1000 were already posted, I'd just donate it.  Wish we had  a way other than adding them to the reminder list.  That just takes too much time.

Hayden -
Date Posted: 11/30/2010 11:27 PM ET
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Thanks. Is there anyway to submit a recommendation to PBS so that each page can show this information?

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 11:42 PM ET
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When you click on the book's title, it shows the number of members wishing.

 

I don't think they want the number of copies posted to be too obvious until they get the "popularity index" programmed.  (See below.)

How can I tell how many copies of a book are in the system?

If you want to know how many copies of a book are currently available in the system you can do a search for that book and put it onto your Reminder List. On your Reminder List, beneath the title, you can see the number of copies currently available in the system.

If you plan to use this information to guide you in posting books, you should know:

  • If you Post the book quickly after checking the Reminder List, yours will most likely be the next one in line.
  • However, knowing what 'FIFO number' your book is in the system would not be very helpful in predicting how quickly it will be requested.
    • You would need other information about the dynamics of that particular book on the site.
      For example, if you have an obscure book that is the only copy in the system, it could take months to be requested. If another book you have is #33 in the system, but the book is requested very often, it could be requested in just a few days.

      If you knew only these FIFO numbers, you might misinterpret them and take #33 off your shelf and donate it, while keeping #1 on your shelf, when you really should do the opposite. this information would not be terribly helpful, and could easily be misinterpreted to mean that a low number would 'move quickly' and a higher number would linger on your shelf, which is often not at all the case.
  • We are working on a 'popularity index' which will better indicate how likely a book is to be ordered within a certain timeframe. It is on our long list of ToDos. We hope to have it available to the membership soon!
Date Posted: 12/1/2010 1:53 AM ET
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It'd be really nice to have that although I understand their wish to wait if they have the popularity index in the works.  I take it into account when requesting books as well.  I've thought about reading the entire Tom Clancy Jack Ryan series, but I don't want to keep the books so I'm not probably going to request them, as I have no outlet except the trash to get rid of them in.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 7:17 AM ET
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you could probably get a good deal on them in the book bazaar.

I have had good luck getting heavily books requested from within a reasonable amount of time.  But I confess to rarely posting books that have more than 200 in the system already (and to sometimes posting them before I've read them to start up FIFO)

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 12:57 PM ET
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I always leave heavily posted books on my shelf. I offer deals to people .... and frankly, the more books you have available, the more likely that people might see something else that they have been meaning to read but perhaps didn't want to use a whole credit on. I get rid of a good amount of heavily posted books that way.

And it is actually cheaper to have a large selection for people to choose from, because I try to do multi-credit deals as much as possible ... so I try to get people to order a 6 for 2, for example, rather than a 3 for 1. (because to mail 6 paperbacks is either $2.77 or $3.16, making the cost of earning those 2 credits about $1.50 each .... insted of paying $2.77 to mail 3 paperbacks, which would make the cost of that single credit $2.77 to earn).

So, if you are willing to do deals ... you should just put as many books on your shelf as possible, and not to worry about how heavily they might be posted.

And, if you ask in the Bazaar for a deal to obtain them in the first place ... (and it is likely that someone will offer!) ... then it is a win on both sides. You get to read them for cheaper than 1 credit each.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 8:52 PM ET
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I just post books and leave them on my shelf,  regardless of how many copies are in the system.   For example, I posted a book that already had 500+ copies in the system, and it was requested within a couple months.   I posted some books with only 1 or 2 in the system,  and they are still sitting on my bookshelf.   There isn't really a way to gage what books will move and what books won't,   unless it is a WL book.  

Also,  I've had people request additional books from my shelf when they order a WL book I posted.   Yay for multiple book orders!   cool

Date Posted: 12/2/2010 8:15 AM ET
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I generally just post everything too and donate anything that hasn't been requested yet if I have to move.  But I have space to store books.  The only books that I had that just sat and sat for years were some Nora Roberts/JD Robb books that had 800+in the system already.  I only purged those because I was moving. 

Date Posted: 12/2/2010 9:07 AM ET
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I also don't even bother looking when I post a book or request one. if I want to read a book, I'll order it, and when I'm done reading a book, I post it whether there's a hundred copies in the system or a hundred people wishing for it. I'm here for the long haul, and after over five years at PBS have developed LOTS of patience. LOL  I have sometimes had people accept a wishlist request and then use the 'order more from member' button and order other books from my shelf, often WAY before I'm at the front of the FIFO queue. So you just never know.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 12/2/2010 10:44 AM ET
Member Since: 7/28/2006
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Hayden,

If you want to suggest your idea to PBS, use the blue Contact Us link at the bottom of the page (it's under Company).  Then use the Feedback feature to send a message to the PBS Team. 

The best way to change anything on the site is to use this feature.  Over the years the Team has given us a lot of features that members have requested.  It never hurts to ask.  :)

Hayden -
Date Posted: 12/3/2010 12:36 AM ET
Member Since: 8/29/2010
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Thanks, Alisa, for your helpful response!

Date Posted: 12/3/2010 11:35 AM ET
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And, if I understand it correctly, if someone orders one book off your shelf and then does the "order more from this member", even if there are hundreds of copies in the system, your book will get requested.  Am I right about this?  Isn't that the point of them saying "order more to save the sender postage" ?

Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 12/3/2010 12:18 PM ET
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Yes, Jeanne.  You do bypass the FIFO order when you order directly from someone's bookshelf, such as when you click on the Order More from this Member button...

Date Posted: 12/4/2010 2:34 AM ET
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And, if I understand it correctly, if someone orders one book off your shelf and then does the "order more from this member", even if there are hundreds of copies in the system, your book will get requested.  Am I right about this?  Isn't that the point of them saying "order more to save the sender postage" ?

I actually had some heavily posted books requested this way.  I was really excited/happy about that!

Subject: Wish List Books
Date Posted: 12/4/2010 2:18 PM ET
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Is it my imaginaion or is it taking increasingly longer to get books posted on the Wish List?   Does anyone know why?

Date Posted: 12/4/2010 3:19 PM ET
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Robert, I think it all depends on what you have on your WL. If you have popular new releases then you're going to get them quicker. I'm No. 1 for about 15-18 books right now -- some I'll get quickly, others don't get posted very often. It's just a crapshoot.  So, I guess the answer is no, I haven't seen a difference lately.



Last Edited on: 12/4/10 3:19 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 12/8/2010 9:49 AM ET
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Patty P. (Patouie) - Santa Rosa, CA wrote:

When you click on the book's title, it shows the number of members wishing.

I'm trying to find/use this feature, but it doesn't seem to always be the case. What section/screen/tab do I need to be in to find it? I look up a book, and sometimes it includes a members wishing number (including 0) but sometimes there is no entry for that at all.

Robin

Date Posted: 12/8/2010 9:56 AM ET
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If there are wishers, it says Members Wishing with the number of wishers.  If there are no wishers and no copies of the book in the system, it says Members Wishing: 0.  If there are copies available, the Members Wishing tag is not on the page. (This is on the book's info page.)

Another way to tell is if the big button says "Order this book" then there are copies available (you can put the book on your reminder list to find out how many).  If the big button says "Post this book" then there are no copies available.

If you're searching on the Book Browser, if you change the first drop down to "Wish List Books" and perform your search, then it will show you the number of wishers on the search page.  If you search by "All Books" it will not show the number of wishers, but the thing about Order This Books vs. Post This Book still holds true.



Last Edited on: 12/8/10 9:58 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 12/8/2010 11:46 AM ET
Member Since: 9/23/2010
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Thanks!