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Subject: Book disappeared from database?
Date Posted: 3/12/2012 9:15 AM ET
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I have a book that was in the system a couple days ago, 3 people wanted it. Now I search for it and there is no information. It only has a 13-digit ISBN, no ten. I also tried searching by title. I can find other formats but not the hardcover I have. Is there a way to get it back to those people who were waiting for it? What happens to their list?

Date Posted: 3/12/2012 9:28 AM ET
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Perhaps if you gave us the information we could do a search and see what we come up with.

edited to fix spelling error.



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Date Posted: 3/12/2012 9:33 AM ET
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The book is Hustlin' Divas by De'nesha Diamond. The ISBN is 9781616649395. There is no 10 digit ISBN. The book is a Hardcover. The softcovers are still in the database and there is an unknown edition with a different ISBN. Amazon also has no information on it.

Date Posted: 3/12/2012 11:17 AM ET
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If Amazon has no info on it, that's probably why the listing disappeared, since the PBS database is largely based on Amazon's information. 

Can you post without an ISBN?

Date Posted: 3/12/2012 2:02 PM ET
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If the book has history in the PBS system (like having wishers) then it really shouldn't be able to "disappear". PBS doesn't use Amazon's database so even if they removed it from their's, it wouldn't be removed from PBS. Unless there was something very wrong with the listing, I can't think of a reason for it to be removed, I recommend sending in Feedback via the Contact Us link and ask the Team about it.

You wouldn't need to post the book without an ISBN, if you post the book with the ISBN you will be able to enter all of the information and add it to the database with the correct ISBN.



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Date Posted: 3/12/2012 6:10 PM ET
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Ok, tried that.

Subject: try this
Date Posted: 3/12/2012 7:56 PM ET
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13 digit isbn 9780758247551 or 10 digit isbn 0758247559

I use worldcat.org.  It is wonderful when you need to find info on books, cds, dvd. 

Date Posted: 3/12/2012 11:02 PM ET
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Audiolady, I don't understand how an alternate ISBN would help in this situation, since she has to post here under the ISBN that's on the item, right? Or am I missing something?

Date Posted: 3/12/2012 11:25 PM ET
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I agree with Elizabeth, the OP will want to use the ISBN printed in/on the book or use a short ISBN.  Posting under a different ISBN, even for the same title, will likely get her a RWAP.

Occassionally we see reports of misprinted ISBNs, but those are usually just off a number or two.

Date Posted: 3/13/2012 12:01 AM ET
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The 10 digit really doesn't matter, but it will automatically be generated by PBS too I believe, it is a standard # and the PBS system would come up with the same one so there is no need to go through the work to generate a 10 to post it when you hsve the 13.



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Subject: What I did
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 2:07 PM ET
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I looked for the title because the ISBN she gave was not found/valid. Once I put in the title and the author in worldcat.org, I found the ISBN for the book.

The ISBN is an industry given number, I believe.  That number can be used by search engines to locate your books, CDs, DVDs, etc.  I often use the ISBN to find stuff on google, barnes and noble, ebay, worldcat.org, or public library databases.

 

 



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Subject: from paperbackswap:
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 2:17 PM ET
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Hustlin' Divas
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Hustlin' Divas
Author: De'nesha Diamond
ISBN-13: 9780758247551 - ISBN-10: 0758247559

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Book Type: Paperback
Publication Date: 2010

To get this info, I did my search by title. 

 

Date Posted: 3/13/2012 3:35 PM ET
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<<Once I put in the title and the author in worldcat.org, I found the ISBN for the book.>>

 

Except, if I'm following your logic correctly, AudioLady, you can't use author and title to find yourself an ISBN -- it has to be on the item itself, as any given author/title can have multiple ISBNs associated with it.  If your item has no ISBN, or has an ISBN not in the PBS system, you have to list it as a non-ISBN item.  You can't just pull an ISBN from WorldCat and use that to post an item to PBS.

As always, details in the Help Center.  Sandra, check out the Help Center document called "My book's on the Club Wish List, with a different/no ISBN".

Date Posted: 3/13/2012 4:07 PM ET
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I did a Google search on the ISBN Sandra gave. It showed up on only one page: a book club. So this may be a book club edition, which could be why Amazon doesn't list it? Does Amazon often list book club editions?

That doesn't answer the question of why wishers would have disappeared, though. Really strange. I can understand the ISBN changing in the database - if they realized there'd been an error of some type in one printing and the correct ISBN were something different — but nothing close to that ISBN shows up if you do a title search, either.

Subject: Elizabeth
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 4:12 PM ET
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Sorry, I am not explaining myself as you are not following my logic.  Let me try again:  I use any of the following: the ISBN, author, title,  even characters name (with author) to find what I want.  Since Sandra also gave the author's name and the book's title, I searched PBS for that title.  Once I had the title, I looked at the ISBN listed.   Then, I cross checked the ISBN on worldcat.org.  They had the same  13 digit ISBN as well as the 10 digit one.  Those are the numbers I shared.  I assumed she was not looking for the cassette tape so I used the one for the book.

I also thought about what might have made Sandra's search not bear fruit.  Perhaps, she simply used a wrong number as the ISBN is very different than the one she gave us.

As for listing a book without an ISBN, I have successfully listed stuff on paperback system that did not have the ISBN in the system.  The moderators ask that you cite the source so they can verify your info.   If I am looking for a hardback, I look for the ISBN on the hardback.  Same for the other media type.  I let them know where I got the info (Amazon, worldcat.org, alibris, google, etc).  Every once in a while, a book is re-released so I also use the year if I have to. 

As you know, there lots of ways to get the answer.  I simply shared what I had success with.  I hope the info helps others. 

 

Date Posted: 3/13/2012 7:15 PM ET
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I also thought about what might have made Sandra's search not bear fruit.  Perhaps, she simply used a wrong number as the ISBN is very different than the one she gave us.

We follow you logic just fine, but don't agree with your path.  Because Sandra says she has the book bearing the ISBN she gave us, what we can find for the same title on other sources doesn't help, we cannot use other ISBNs to list on PBS. She has to list her book by its own ISBN or list it as a book without one.



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Subject: Found answer
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 8:52 PM ET
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I Have pondered all that people said. Since i am a engineering nerd, i had to find something i can understand. Sometimes i even drive myself crazy so pardon me because i meanwell. I found sandra's Isbn 9781616649395 on www.blackexpressions.com at http://www.blackexpressions.com/fiction-&-literature-books/urban-fiction-books/hustlin-divas-by-denesha-diamond-1067705440.html. I believe it is a member exclusive edition in hardcover. I have no idea about its disappearance from PBS. So, I stand corrected about www.worldcat.org having isbn info for this mystery item. Sandra if you post it, I am interested in reading it!
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 11:17 PM ET
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If I understand correctly, what Sandra has appears to be a book club editon.  She can post it on PBS if she makes an entry using the ISBN printed on/in the book or under a short ISBN.  Am I understanding that correctly?

Amazon may or may not have an entry for Sandra's book, but the point is irrelevant b/c Amazon is NOT the database that PBS extracts information from.  But PBS and Amazon may/probably extract book data from a common database, but it is not Amazon itself. 

Date Posted: 3/14/2012 3:22 AM ET
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97816166493955 is a valid ISBN.  When I enter it into the Post Books page, the background turns green, meaning it's valid.  We just don't have the book listed here yet.  Sandra can enter the ISBN in the Post Books page and click "check" and a form will appear that saysPlease enter the information about the book so that the listing appears correctly on your bookshelf.

When she does that, it will become a regular ISBN listing.

It would also be okay for her to list it without an ISBN, but there's no reason to do that, since the book has an ISBN, and that ISBN isn't being used by a different book.  It wouldn't be okay to post it using an ISBN that's not actually printed on her copy of the book.

Every 13-digit ISBN has an equivalent 10-digit ISBN.  Every 10-digit has an equivalent 13-digit ISBN.  Many books only have either the 10- or 13-digit ISBN printed on them, but even so, they're equivalent.  If you enter the 10-digit ISBN, the software will generate the equivalent 13-digit ISBN and vice versa.

 

Denise said: Amazon may or may not have an entry for Sandra's book, but the point is irrelevant b/c Amazon is NOT the database that PBS extracts information from.  But PBS and Amazon may/probably extract book data from a common database, but it is not Amazon itself.

That's my understanding too.