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Subject: Book soaked, woe is me...
Date Posted: 3/13/2010 5:59 PM ET
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Well, today was a dreary and damp day. It poured all day long. I was happy to see that I received a book but it was soaked. The member wrapped it in both sheets of printer paper but  without any form of plastic covering. The book is ruined and will have to be thrown away. I know that PBS suggests using plastic.  I just wish members would use it, especially when only using the PBS wrapper and another sheet to wrap the book. I'm sure the book would have been saved if plastic was used. I didn't RWAP the book but I did suggest using plastic or completing taping the wrapped book.



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Date Posted: 3/13/2010 6:17 PM ET
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I am sorry for your loss of your book; no one like to receive a book they were waiting for and then find they can't read it.

I also agree that I wish PBS would make it a rule for the books to be wrapped in plastic, but then for those who are very environmental minded, they would not want to do that, so it can create a problem in that area.

I have written an RC that the books are to be wrapped, and I need to check it and make sure it is worded that it has to be, as I don't want that to happen to me (and have had some arrive that have not been wrapped).  Once is enough, especially if it a book you have been waiting a while to find.

I  hope you can get another copy soon. 

Janette

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 6:24 PM ET
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I'm sad for you too!  Hope the rest of your day goes better.  NOthing more heart breaking than a ruined book. UGH:(

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 7:03 PM ET
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Sometimes I think I'm the only person who has never gotten wet mail. Perhaps it is because my mailbox is inside, but it never even gets wet during the transfer from the truck to my building. I absolutely do not agree that it should be a rule that all books must be protected with plastic because I believe there are others like me out there who do not require their books to be protected from moisture. I think to require that of everyone would be terribly excessive. 

Anyway, I'm sorry your book was damaged. I strongly suggest that you add an RC to your account requiring that plastic be used (and I do mean require, because if you just suggest it, chances are people won't pay that any more mind than they do the sites suggestion to use it) so that this doesn't happen in the future. I used to use plastic, but since I have never received a wet book, it started to seem like an unnecessary step to me. I would gladly use plastic if asked to for a specific transaction though.

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 7:14 PM ET
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 I didn't RWAP the book but I did suggest using plastic or completing taping the wrapped book

That is a bummer.

Time for an RC asking for books to be wrapped in plastic. I only use plastic when asked.  Suggestions don't mean anything me. If you need plastic, I'll be happy to wrap it in plastic. Otherwise you'll get my standard wrap job.

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 7:42 PM ET
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Sorry about your book!

Like Tome Trader, if it's an RC, I will wrap it in plastic. Otherwise it depends. Unless it's winter or you live in Florida during hurricane season, I usually don't use plastic. I'll probably wrap in plastic for the next couple weeks, but then stop since the weather is getting nicer. I don't get a lot of reusable plastic anymore since I didn't renew my magazine subscriptions and don't get a newspaper that comes in plastic, so if the weather is nice and there is no RC, I don't bother.

I'm like you Leisl, I don't get wet mail. Or if I get it, it isn't enough to soak through and damage the book so much that it's unreadable.

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 7:57 PM ET
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You know, I never really thought about this.  I wrap each book in heavy brown paper then envelope and lots of tape.  My books come to a PO Box so they don't tend to get wet like my house delivery does.  This made me think.  I'll wrap in paper to protect the book and plastic to keep from getting wet, then the envelope.  I'm glad I saw this because I honestly didn't think of it, though some of my books have arrived nicely wrapped in plastic.  I was thinking that was the same thing as my brown paper, but I can see now they are protecting me from wet books.  I should have thought of it because it rains here ALL the time. What kind of plastic do people usually use?



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Date Posted: 3/13/2010 8:12 PM ET
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Shouldn't it have been RWAP, damaged by USPS?  You could mark it resolved right away.  That way the site knows how many books are damaged by USPS.  They might make wrapping in plastic a requirement if enough books are damaged to make a difference.

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 8:37 PM ET
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I have a roadside mailbox as I live in the country, my mail rarely gets wet (could be I provide a waterproof mail box), the delivery person drives with the window down so rain could potentially blow in the car but, I think I've only gotten one book that had a corner that was torn that got ever so slightly damp and once it dried I couldn't find where it had ever been wet.

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 8:45 PM ET
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There's only one book that I didn't wrap in plastic and that's because I forgot. 

I wrap the book in a plastic grocery bag followed by a brown paper grocery bag with lots of tape.

 

Hoping that works.  No complaints yet.  (knocks on wood- smile)

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 9:06 PM ET
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Jeanette,

I have in my RC that any type will do, I don't care if they use a plastic bag that bread comes in, as long as the crumbs are shaken out (one did send them in a bread bag, LOL).

I  have sent mine out in ziplock bags, wrapped in saran wrap, inside of the large bubble bags that are used in shipping; I reused the bags that are sent to me, it doesn't matter to me.

There are so many plastic type bags that can be reused, bags from stores, I received a book wrapped in a bag from Radio Shack, one in a bag that covered something electronic. 

My hubby works for the school board and there are all kinds of plastic bags due to the shipments that arrive at the school board office, so I have access to a lot of stuff to use, which I see as helpful to the environment, they are being reused instead of being put into the trash. 

I ask for plastic because of the weird weather here where I live.  Spring and Fall are very rainy months, we can have, as now, rain for days (flooding right now in low areas, river is up and some roads are closed).  Winter, we get snow, not like in the Northwest, but enough that it makes slush puddles in front of my mailbox.  The soil in my yard is sandy, so no matter how much gravel we put down, a good rain will wash it out, and when the mail carrier's van pulls up, the gravel just sinks into the soil as if it was never there.  But a nice big puddle develops; if she dropped a package, it would land right in it. 

I am lucky that I  have a porch that has some protection and if the box/bag is too big for the mailbox, the carrier brings it to my porch and puts in either beside the door or between the two doors.  Some, however are not so lucky and have no protection for their porches and carriers who just set them on the ground.  If it is wet weather, their books are ruined. 

I wrap wether asked for or  not, I don't know the situation of the person, how their mail is set up or how the weather will be that day.  That is my choice, I don't expect others to do that, however.

Janette

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 9:17 PM ET
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Janette,  Thanks for the great ideas!  I've got to send two books out Monday and wrapping will now include plastic. I love it that someone sent one out in a bread bag.  Gotta love thinking outside the box....or wrapper in this case!

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 10:37 PM ET
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I just use plastic cling wrap on my books.

I've never gotten wet mail either and mine is a roadside mailbox.  I don't think it's particularly waterproof but the only wet stuff I've gotten is from me dropping it in a puddle on the way back up the driveway.

If you're concerned about wet books, you'll need to set up an RC that all books need to be wrapped in plastic.

dp
Date Posted: 3/13/2010 10:39 PM ET
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What kind of plastic do people usually use?

I love saran wrap; I buy the huge rolls from Costco.  I find it's especially useful when shipping out multiples because it holds everything together so nothing shifts around.

Date Posted: 3/13/2010 11:02 PM ET
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I'm sorry, Connie.  It wasn't a WL book, was it?  Any chance you can salvage it back to a readable state?



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Date Posted: 3/13/2010 11:37 PM ET
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My mail is delivered to a rural route box, and rarely have damp mail even tho our climate is often very wet.  But I did receive a memorable book, the wrapper had been very wet (the label and DC barcode were unreadable blurry under packing tape).  Don't remember the circumstances at the time, but for some reason I kinda decided maybe it had been dropped into a leaky blue box.  Package was dry by the time it arrived, and plastic underwrap protected the book...it was in mint condition.

I use Saran wrap or whatever recycling is handy...newspaper sleeves from other members, dry cleaning bags, appliance or major car parts wrapper, etc.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 12:33 AM ET
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There are also bags called polymailers that can be purchased cheaply online, .07-.09 cents a mailer, and they have sizes that  are perfect for most paperbacks.

I've only sent a few books(I'm a n00b) but I've sent all of mine in either recycled bubble mailers or the one time I sent a book with the wrapper, I had a ziploc bag that the book fit into perfectly that I wrapped it in first. I ship other items on a FSOT board, and for them, it's a major "sin" to ship the items out in anything not waterproof. So I've kept that knowledge and applied it to shipping here too.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 12:59 AM ET
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"my mail rarely gets wet (could be I provide a waterproof mail box)"

Now that is just too much of a logical idea to let go unrepeated.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 4:29 AM ET
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I am in the prefer plastic camp...  I received 3 books today, wrapped like a brick,  plastic bag used to prewrap, covered in what looked like a brown envelope that had been cut to fit, rather than stuffed.  Taped well but not mummified.  We had high winds last nite, so when we got up in the morning, the mailbox wasn't on the post, but laying on the ground.  The mail carrier put the mail in the box even though it was on the ground.  Outside of package was soaked.  Voila!!   Books were in great shape, nice and dry.

                                                                                     --   'nuff said.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 10:44 AM ET
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Though I prefer to receive books wrapped in plastic, but I don't think it should be a requirement  Like another said there are some members who are true blood environmentalists and do not like using plastic - which is their right.

RCs are good, but I think common sense is also good.  No one lives in a cave -- I hope -- and knows when the west coast has heavy rains, the midwest-northeast is having snow, the south has a hurricane or two, if you are sending the book to those areas and they don't have a RC, it would be kind and thoughtful to protect the book(s) in plastic.   JMO

I purchase plastic wrap at Costco or BJs -  They are huge rolls and last a long time.  BTW I use plastic wrap for books but use containers for food - so I guess I am not increasing my plastic use, maybe decreasing because use less sending books then I used for wrapping food.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 10:52 AM ET
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I just added to my RC that I require some form of plastic protective covering if they are only using the PBS wrapper.  I'll see how this goes and I can always remove it from my RC if it causes too many problems.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 11:02 AM ET
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I'm in the wrap with  plastic club also.  And I use saran & reuse the pieces that come to me and any other forms of plastic I can recycle.  I Love my books and don't want to see them get water damaged.

dp
Date Posted: 3/14/2010 1:13 PM ET
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This thread has me worried. I rarely get wet mail and have yet to receive a wet book (of course I'm pretty new) - but there's always a first, and if it happens to a wishlist book I've hypothetically waited years on, I'll be heartbroken.  But I already have a few conditions (dust jackets, no super-creased paperback spines, because most of what I order I intend to keep) and I don't want to be obnoxious about my RCs and have requests rejected on that account.  How many people currently use some sort of plastic, do you think, be it saran or bags or bubble mailers?  I haven't kept track of the books I've received.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 2:12 PM ET
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There are so many plastic type bags that can be reused, bags from stores, I received a book wrapped in a bag from Radio Shack, one in a bag that covered something electronic. 

This will sound odd, but I never thought of reusing grocery bags or bags from stores. I know I've seen it around here a lot, but until I saw your post it never resonated. I guess I have more plastic than I thought!

How many people currently use some sort of plastic, do you think, be it saran or bags or bubble mailers?  I haven't kept track of the books I've received.

I haven't kept track either, but I think I receive more without the plastic. I reuse plastic when I can and so far this year (I hadn't really traded much at all since summer last year, so I'm really only accounting for the last couple months) I have only had one plastic wrapping to reuse.

I think even before my slump when I was trading more that I hardly had anything to reuse. Sometimes it's because it's saran wrap, but mostly I just don't get a whole lot in plastic. It doesn't bother me though. I have only had one book damaged en route, and I doubt if they used plastic (who knows, they may have, but the package came rewrapped by the PO) it would have helped since it had black grease/oil stains and smelled of gasoline. Seemed to me the book was in some sort of mail truck accident.

Date Posted: 3/14/2010 3:06 PM ET
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I think to require that of everyone would be terribly excessive.

Do you think that PBS' other requirements for wrapping are excessive?  Maybe I think that taping the package tightly around the book is excessive.  Wrapping a book in plastic is simply an extra step in shipping a book and for the life of me I don't see why anyone would object, much less not do it.  I'm fairly sure that most people who don't wrap books in plastic, don't do so because they have never read the wrapping guidelines and don't really think about the possibility of a book getting wet. 

When this subject last came up and I posted my opinions about people who don't use plastic to wrap their books, I got quite a few e-mails from people thanking me for bringing up the subject because they had never really thought about it.  I even had one PM me when I had my RC about wrapping in plastic thanking me for the "heads up", because they were new and had never really thought about the possibility of a book being damaged by rain or moisture.

Just make sure, if you do an RC about wrapping in plastic, that you don't say "please" or "I would appreciate it".  Many people here, from the responses I got about my RC, would interpret that as a request and not a requirement.  I disagree.  If it's in the RC, no matter how it is worded, it is a requirement.  That's why "RC" stands for "required conditions".  It is not "SC" for "suggested conditions".

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