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Subject: book with writing?
Date Posted: 1/13/2010 6:57 PM ET
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I have a paperback with some writing in it - 5 places in the book, short phrases, and a small 1/2 inch rip on the cover.  I understand it's not postable because of the writing.  But I would gladly accept a book in this condition - the book is clean, and the spine is in good shape.  Is there a way to post the book with a disclaimer about the condition?  Can I offer it as  "bonus" with another postable book - not asking for a credit, just as a way to pass on a book I don't want to keep? 

Date Posted: 1/13/2010 7:03 PM ET
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Can I offer it as  "bonus" with another postable book - not asking for a credit, just as a way to pass on a book I don't want to keep?

Sure. You can go to the Book Bazaar...

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/forum.php?f=58

And offer it free with an order from your shelf. There's a 'sticky' (permanent) thread at the top of the forum you'll want to read to make sure you know the rules of Bazaar posting. See this thread at the top of the forum....

Subject: How to use this forum - please read before posting here!

And if it's an unpostable WL, you can advertise it here...

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=117610



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Date Posted: 1/13/2010 7:03 PM ET
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Last Edited on: 5/10/11 7:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 1/14/2010 4:39 PM ET
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Isn't another option to go ahead and post the book, and then once it's requested, accept the request, and the PM the requestor, describing in as much detail as possible the condition? I know, personally speaking, that if it's a book I really want, I would much rather have the opportunity to choose to accept the condition of the book, and so get a book that I've been really looking for even if it has some writing in it, than to not even know it's available because it was never posted.


Some people are no doubt more drawnt to being sticklers for the rules, but I say give someone a choice, and be totally upfront about the condition of a book, via PM, before sending it out.

Date Posted: 1/14/2010 4:43 PM ET
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No Robert that is not an option except on cookbooks and text books.   Stickler for the rules or not - it's not an option and if PBS finds out that is being done it could jepordize your membership.

You CAN ask for a credit for an unpostable book in the Book Bazaar.

Date Posted: 1/14/2010 5:56 PM ET
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The third exception to the "no writing" rule is for travel books. These can aslo be expected to maybe contain writing.

And, PBS has said that really, anything can be a "textbook". Many college classes use things like novels as the textbooks. You can post them with writing AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW THE PM RULES. The expectation is, that people who post things that most people wouldn't think of as being textbooks, will get discouraged from trying to mail them out out as people decline via PM to receive the book with writing.

They have updated the rules and explanation of this recently.



Last Edited on: 1/14/10 5:59 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 1/14/2010 6:14 PM ET
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That's not entirely true Cozi. From the July "09 newsletter: 

"Dear Librarian- I saw that there is a "textbook exception" that allows textbooks to be posted if they have underlining or highlighting or writing in them.  How do you define a textbook?  What if I have a novel that was used in a class?  - Hesitant in Hattiesburg

Dear Hattie,

The "textbook exception"  has three parts, really.  Each one is very important, and together they help the textbook exception work well in the club.  First, the textbook exception allows textbooks to be posted with writing/highlighting/underlining (no non-textbooks may be posted with such markings). Second, the textbook exception includes the stipulation that the sender write a Personal Message to the requestor describing the book's condition and third (and most important!), the sender must receive a Personal Message in reply from the requestor, agreeing to the described condition, BEFORE sending the book.  If the requestor does not respond, or declines the book in its condition, the sender must NOT send the book - the sender must let the system cancel, or cancel it by clicking "cancel order".

This requirement of a PM exchange with the requestor accepting the book means that it is not possible for a sender who is following the rules to send a "surprise" highlighted/written in book to a requestor.   For that reason, it does not matter what the sender considers a textbook - if it has markings that will allow it to be posted only if it is a textbook, then the sender is bound by the textbook exception rules to describe it in a PM, and must receive a reply PM consenting to its condition, before sending it.  In this way, matters will naturally sort themselves out: the math textbook that a requestor would expect to have writing in it will be accepted when it is described, while the novel that is read for a class will probably NOT be accepted when it is described.  The sender needs to decline if the requestor refuses the book in its condition.  At some point (after enough refusals from requestors), the member who is trying to send a novel as a textbook will realize that since it is not generally perceived as a textbook, it will probably not be possible to send out a marked-up version of that book here. 

Hope that helps clarify this issue! You can read the textbook exception in the Help Center, of course, in the Help doc "Book Condition Criteria". "

Also, from the help docs:

 

What is the definition of a textbook?

Actually, the way the system and rules are designed, it does not matter what the "objective definition" of a textbook is.  The club members decide this - as long as the rules in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS are followed.  See the explanation and examples below.

If a member considers her book a textbook she may Post it with underlining/highlighting/writing on text pages, according to the "textbook exception" in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS; BUT since the textbook exception in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS require her to contact the requestor and obtain PM consent to the book's condition, she won't be in the position of sending a "stealth textbook" to someone who doesn't expect to receive one.

Examples/further explanation:

  • Member A posts an Economics 101 textbook - something that most people would clearly consider a textbook.   
  • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
  • Chances are good that she will get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc. 
  • Member B posts a novel (fiction) that she used in a class - something that most people would NOT consider a textbook.
    • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
    • Chances are good that she will NOT get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc.
    • If the requestor declines the book in its condition, Member B will have to cancel the request and repost her book.  It will go to the 'back of the line' for requests.  (If it is a Wish Listed book, it will be offered to the same wisher and the sender will again have to cancel.  She will have to wait for the wishing member to get a copy of this book from someone else before Member B can post her copy again.)

So, the farther the book is from a 'textbook' in common perception, the more likely it will be difficult to get consent to its condition.  Members in Member B's situation may encounter several declines, and will eventually realize that the book is not likely to be acceptable to the club in its condition.  Member B will stop trying to offer it as a "textbook"  and will consider it instead an unpostable/damaged book.

In this way, the club defines "textbook" on a case-by-case basis, and no one who is following the rules will be able to "surprise" another person with a highlighted/written-in/underlined book."



Last Edited on: 1/14/10 6:22 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/15/2010 4:39 PM ET
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Thanks Leisl!  I remembered reading that, but couldn't recall where.