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Subject: Bookcrossing book problem
Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:11 AM ET
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Thought I'd pose the question here to see if I was wrong to ask for my point back as I was kinda given grief about it.  Normally, I couldn't care less about BC books, a bit annoying with tons of stickers but still OK.

Received a WL book with a BC stamp on the 1st page OVER text (the intro blurb for the book).  It does obscure a bit of the words, and yeah, it's only the intro, but I enjoy reading those.  The 2nd stamp and ID # are written on the first text page above the paragraph, so not covering anything, but right above where the paragraph starts.

I marked RWAP and PMed the poster requesting my credit back as this is an unpostable according to my understanding of the HC:

"No writing or highlighting on text pages"

What I received back was quoting the BC part:

"BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY."

So, was I wrong to request my point back?  All the other BC books I've ever received have the stamp/sticker on the inside cover or an empty page, never on top of text.  I thought that BC books have to meet all other PBS guidelines.

Any advice, other viewpoints would be greatly appreciated.

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:19 AM ET
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If it is covering text, it makes it unpostable.  Sure.. the stickers are OK along the edges or blank pages at the beginning, but not covering text.   Good luck!

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:21 AM ET
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This is just my opinion, but I'd say that the intro blurb doesn't qualify as part of the text.  As long as the actual text was readable beginning to end, I wouldn't mark it RWAP.  But as I said, that's just my opinion.

 

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:23 AM ET
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Text is text, the HC doesn't say whether it's important or not, the intro is part of the text, and part of the published book. Writing and stickers there are definitely unpostable. No question in my mind that you were correct in asking for your credit back.

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:39 AM ET
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The obliteration of the introduction makes the book unpostable. It's not like we're talking about a page with a list of the other books by the same author. You should receive your credit back, as the writing is on the text of the book, not the edges.

Note how the HC does not say that within text pages is OK. These markings you are talking about are not in the margins, they obliterate part of the text of the book.

BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY.

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:43 AM ET
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You may be able to get those stickers off - use a hairdryer to warm them - sometimes they'll peel right up.

I too think that book was unpostable, but hopefully you can get it worked out!

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:46 AM ET
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So do people think "page edges" mean the margins of the page, or the outside edges of the book (i.e. what you see when the book is closed)?  I've always thought of it as the outside edges.

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:48 AM ET
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Thanks for the comments!  I thought it was right to mark RWAP but then the wording of the message from the poster made me rethink.  There's no problem with the sticker on the outside of the book, but the inside pages were stamped (black ink rubber stamper) over the text.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 2/6/2008 10:49 AM ET
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Me too Bret. The white space around the text is margin, the edge is the part you see when the book is closed.

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 12:29 PM ET
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I'd try one more time along the lines of  "Sorry to belabor this point, but the Bookcrossing markings on the book were within the text (I'd highlight that phrase) which is not permitted here. I don't mind Bookcrossing markings in the covers, or on a page with no text as per the site guidelines. The book I received had markings within the book itself." I wouldn't count on getting your credit back - consider it similar to getting a "borderline" book that's reached the end of its swaplife and can't be reposted.

As an FYI, I'm a Bookcrosser and used to mark up books inside (though not directly affecting text) when I was new and enthusiastic. I wouldn't necessarily have marked the book RWP myself (I consider the intro blurb as "gray area" as defining "text"), but would've sent a message to the sender that (s)he should be more careful about marking as per the guidelines, or there'll be RWP's from others.

 

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 12:55 PM ET
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I don't mind getting a bookcrossing book if I have no choice. But I disagree with people messing up the book and then putting them on PBS. To me messing up a book is just wrong!

BTW. I spend hours trying to clean and/or erase all books that I get to keep or to put on PBS. The way people abuse books just bothers me. Throwing out a book actually hurts, but I've been working on getting over it if they aren't postable for spine or water damage. And cleaning up an good ex-library book almost makes me hyperventilate. Now I think I'll go find that book addiction thread............

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 1:18 PM ET
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I would have marked it RWP too.  The help section says Book Crossing books are okay, not Book Crossers may break all PBS rules and still post their books.  There is one member here who says that his Book Crossing books may having writing on the inside pages....if I ever receive one of his books, you better believe I am marking it RWP.

Date Posted: 2/6/2008 1:34 PM ET
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I think that the occasional rubber-stamp in the margin which does not affect the text of the book would be all right. I've seen ex-library books with the occasional rubber-stamp in the margins. But if it obliterates the text of the book, it is not OK, because it will directly interfere with the ability to read the book. 

Date Posted: 2/8/2008 4:03 AM ET
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One of the requests I received had a requester's condition stating that she didn't want any BookCrossing books.  If the stamps are a concern, perhaps you could put that as a condition, too.

Date Posted: 2/8/2008 5:38 AM ET
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Your sender did not correctly quote the PBS guidelines regarding BC books (section put in bold that she left out)....note the full quote below...IMO you were well within your rights to request your point be returned as the book should not have been posted.

  • BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY. These may not obscure text.
Date Posted: 3/3/2008 12:45 PM ET
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I know this is an old post but I was bored and just happened to come across it. 

I was the person who posted the book.  When I posted it I didn't notice that any words were covered or that there would be any problem reading the text.  She did notice.  She told me about it.  I gave her credit back and I said that I was sorry. 

Normally, hearing (or reading) stuff like this doesn't get to me.  But I guess today is different. 

So I made a mistake and I made up for it.  I really don't know what else I could have done.  But I guess that info was not mentioned.  Maybe it wasn't important.  Well it was to me.  Because I look like the bad person who is trading bad books which is not the case(1st problem I've ever had).

I am so sorry that I made a mistake.

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 12:57 PM ET
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Rebecca, this was clarified in another post by Robert, he said that it was the text of the story that had to be written on to make the book unpostable. If your book had the stamp on the intro - you were OK to post that book. Not sure if I bookmarked that post or not, I will try to find his clarification and post to here too.

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 1:08 PM ET
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What I was trying to say was that yes I had made a mistake no doubt about it.  I am in no way trying to say that I did not.  I admit I was wrong.  What I am trying to say is that this whole post was one sided.  I was made to look like I just blew it off like it was nothing.  Which wasn't the case.  That is the point I was trying to make.  I made the mistake and I done what I could do to fix it.  But that was left out of the story.  I feel like I was being burned at the stake or something.  I don't know, I just got upset when I saw this.



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Date Posted: 3/3/2008 1:46 PM ET
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Rebecca,

You were not mentioned in this post at all until you spoke today, nearly a month later.  I was simply asking if I was wrong to ask for my credit back.  Why did I post this?  Because of your snarky response when I asked for the return of my credit.  While you did not "blow it off" you did try to make me feel guilty for your error, quote from the PM below. 

"However since you feel wronged I will give your credit back. I would inturn appreciate it if you did not repost the book and get a credit for it since I will not get one either."

So, not only did you not really admit that you were at fault, just that I felt "wronged".  You also implied that I would turn around and post the book that shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

You were not being burned at the stake, yeah, you did fix it by returning the credit, but not before making me feel like crap for asking for it.

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 1:49 PM ET
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Rebecca, sorry if my post sounded like I was saying you did something wrong, because what I was saying is that you did nothing wrong. Robert, the site owner, has stated that the book as described here, was postable. You went above and beyond by giving the member back the credit when you did not have to. You posted a totally acceptable book, but when the receiver wasn't happy with it, gave back a credit you had earned anyway.

I am also glad you told everyone you made the situation right, sometimes posts can tell only one side of the story.

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 2:06 PM ET
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of course the post was one-sided, mainly because it was a person venting about a book they received. could you imagine if both parties of every RWAP issue came in here to hash out their problems? ugh. it'd be a nightmare. none of us knew who the 'offender' was and we had no way of knowing, so it really didn't 'make you look bad'.

some people have no one else to vent to, so they come here. i like being able, if needed, to have a place where people understand, you know?

ah well, it's done, it's over with.

 

ETA: did we ever get clarification on exactly where stamps/marking/id #'s etc are allowed? because, melanie, based on what you are telling rebecca, you're saying it was an okay book to post even though it had markings/id # on the first text page (not the intro page). i'm confused. and margins are =/= to page edges, right?



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Date Posted: 3/3/2008 2:09 PM ET
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See I think that I am just coming off wrong or I don't know.  I didn't say anything about being mentioned, that doesn't bother me.  What did bother me was that one side was told. 

And I know this was an old post, but I just came across it today.  But you see it all the time.  And Melissa I am sorry if my responce sounded snotty it wasn't intended to be.  And I did not mean to make you feel bad by my response.  And I am sorry that I did. 

Melanie- you didn't say anything wrong I was just pointing out that I did make the mistake of posting an unpostable book.  But I am human, it happens. 

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 2:17 PM ET
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i agree one side was being told, but would you have rathered she named you and called you out, so that it wasn't 'two-sided'? i guess i'd rather not get involved, especially if my name wasn't public to begin with.

*shrugs*

i just edited my other post, but could someone (melanie?) point me to where robert 'clearly stated' that this book was, indeed, postable? because, though the first stamp's location sounded acceptable, the second stamp & id number being on the first text (of the story) page doesn't seem right. thanks to whoever provides robert's take on this!

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 2:35 PM ET
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Well no one has to be called out, just kinda give a little more background to the otherside.  So today I called my ownself out, I guess.  (Totally not related to this-- But I was on the phone with someone the other day at work.  The phone conversation wasn't going his way, so he says to me "You wanna take this outside young lady, because I got no problems with hitting a girl."  I was excited that he called me young.)

I'm just in a bad mood and when I read this I got even more in a bad mood.  

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 2:42 PM ET
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it's a monday thing. =p i'm crabby, too, and still have to fix dinner, give the baby a bath, make dessert, take a shower and go to nursing school from 5:45 - 9:45.

we'll make it thru today, i promise! ;)

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