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Subject: Books from smoking homes
Date Posted: 7/16/2008 1:39 PM ET
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I have SO HAD IT with this condition on requests!!  I can understand the requests for ONLY WITH DUST JACKET (some people plan on keeping them), I can understand the NO LIBRARY BOOKS (often to worn).Also, I HATE the ones that say NO BOOKS FROM HOMES WITH (DOGS/CATS,ETC...). My dog isnt reading the book and I don't allow hime to sleep or chew on it either so get over yourself!

But really! how smoky can a book smell! AND DON'T GIVE ME THAT ALLERGY BS!!! iF YOUR ALLERGIES ARE THAT BAD YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO DUST AND SHOULD NOT BE READING USED BOOKS!!

What's next?.......NO BOOKS FROM HOMES THAT EAT PEANUTS!

 Had a request for a book today. A new release. Over 300 people have it on thier wishlist. NO SMOKING AND NO PETS ONLY! ALSO ALL BOOKS MUST ARRIVE WRAPPED IN PLASTIC WRAP OR THEY WILL BE DENIED AND YOU WILL RECIEVE NO CREDIT! ANY BOOKS RECIEVED WRAPPED IN TAPE WILL BE DENIED.YOU MUST SEND IN A MAILER ENVELOPE!  Guess what, Her request was denied!!! 

I am tempted to start buying new books they request and sending them out but tearing out the last chapter....at least they wont smell smoke.



Last Edited on: 7/17/08 12:18 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/16/2008 2:47 PM ET
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I've never had a problem with the smokey books.  I personally don't smoke, but after the books have been out of the smoking environment awhile, the smell goes away.  At first, it can be a little overwhelming for someone that doesn't smell it all the time, so I can understand why they wouldn't want them. I just let them sit for awhile before I pick them up to read, that way the smell wears out of them.

Date Posted: 7/16/2008 3:46 PM ET
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Are you having a bad day or what?! Time for a cigarette maybe??

I don't know what this particular rant is doing on a Paranormal forum, anyway but it's really insensitive to people that do have allergies and they are entitled to specify whatever conditions they want. They don't want a book that's going to make them sick!!

I don't have such allergies but can fully sympathise with people that do and yes, as a non-smoker, I can tell you that books from a smoking household, DO smell of smoke. Jennifer is right, it does (mostly) go away, if left out in the open for awhile before reading but that doesn't help those that are particularly sensitive.

Date Posted: 7/16/2008 5:27 PM ET
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Yes...why is this thread on the paranormal forums???? 

I don't have allergies...and I don't smoke but I have thrown out a book or two b/c it smelled like it was used as an astray.  It's gross and if I thought it wouldnt' limit the number of books I would get... I too would add that condition....but I want the books so I take the chance.  Personally I think smoking should be outlawed...but that's a different topic.

 

 

Date Posted: 7/16/2008 8:43 PM ET
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If you smoke then deny the request and carry on with your life. If you dont smoke and the request is no books currently in a smoking house then accept it and carry on with your life. I smoke but for over a year I quit and once I wasnt used the smell anymore I realized that yes paper, fabric, even hair will retain the smell for a long long time. I washed every piece of fabric in my house because they all smelled like ashtrays. I febreezed the furniture and carpets too. The smell is particles of smoke. The allergy is to what is in the particles of smoke therefore the smell causes the allergy to flare just as much as blowing the smoke directly in their face would.

I really dont get the animosity toward conditions these people are not telling you that your books are less than good. They just want something the site does not outlaw. The site gives them the RIGHT to ask for it. Instead of telling these people to buy new maybe you should examine what ticks you off about the conditions so much and if they annoy you that badly maybe you should just go buy new instead of exposing yourself to the annoying requestor conditions that are allowed here and are probably never going to go away.

Date Posted: 7/17/2008 2:58 AM ET
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I live in a three-asthmatic household. My daughter is particularly smoke sensitive. We used to live in Las Vegas, and there were times when we would go out to dinner and she would have to breathe through kleenex on the way to the table because of the smoke. She was a premature baby with under-developed lungs when she was born. So the smoke issue is especially bad for her.

That being said... I don't have a "no smoke" policy in place at the moment. A box of baking soda and a ziploc bag go a long way in killing the smoke smell. It takes time, yes, but it does seem to work. I've had half a dozen smoky books I've fixed this way.

 

Date Posted: 7/17/2008 12:40 PM ET
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I've had to deny plenty of books because this is a smoking household. It makes me feel bad when I have to deny WL books especially, but hey, it's they're loss. Although I have had some requestor conditions that make me wonder if the person ever gets any books and why they don't just buy them new (I had one asking for no spine creases! That's a bit much IMO)

Baking soda works good for smells though, I keep a box in the large bin I hold all my PBS-posted books in. That being said, I still deny requests from those not wanting books from a smoking household. Books seems to soak up any smell easily, not just smoke. I've had some pretty funky smelling books mailed to me in the past.

Date Posted: 7/19/2008 3:46 PM ET
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I'd much rather decline a request than send someone a book that would make them unhappy or worse, possibly make them ill.

My cats are often in my lap while I'm reading and frequently feel the need to do the cheek rub on the book I'm holding.   The dog doesn't read too many books since he stopped teething.    :)

Date Posted: 7/19/2008 8:40 PM ET
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I know there are probably people who are alergic to smoke, dust, grass, animals, etc.    I can truthfully say that I have never smelled smoke on a book!  I was a smoker until about 6 yrs. ago and still can't tell the difference when I enter a smoker's home, sit in a restaurant, drive in a car, or read a book.  I am sure there are many like me as well as like someone who is alergic and I just wanted to give my point of view.  I think smokers are blamed for everything but global warming and it's just ridiculous.   Next year it will be something else and myself along with the majority of the world's population cannot wait to see what it is!  And no-----this isn't anything about the "paranormal", but it is still a free world where all have the priviledge to state what they feel as long as it's peaceful.

Date Posted: 7/20/2008 9:03 AM ET
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Smokers have a decreased sense of smell that takes up to ten years to heal after the cessation of the habit. Plus, the smoke stains your olfactory glands so you don't recognise the smell of it when exposed to it. What you can't smell a nonsmoker can- cigerette smoke and more. This is a known side effect to smoking that can be found in numerous research articles.

I can go outside and wipe yellow pollen off our car with my HAND in April and it doesn't bother me, but if a book comes from a smoking home, my nasal cavities start stinging and I get an instant headache. Most of the time I can put the book in a bag with a fabric softener sheet for a week or so and its recoverable, but  afew books have been so bad I had to throw them away and WASH MY HANDS afterwards to get the stink off of ME.

Date Posted: 7/20/2008 10:32 AM ET
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My mother has a hound-dog's nose when it comes to smoke (the legal kind and other). Made it hard for us when we were teenagers, that's for sure  (us being my twin and I).   =)



Last Edited on: 7/20/08 10:33 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/21/2008 3:23 PM ET
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LOL Sarah, my mom was the same way :-)  She would bust me almost EVERY time!!

I smoke but I only smoke outside on the porch because I don't like for it to be around my son...

That said I still take a book to read with me to the porch when I smoke, and although I know this wouldn't make it smell like a house would that someone smokes in, I will still click 'doesnt meet conditions' if there is a smoking condition.  Just to be on the safe side.

It doesn't bother me because if it is a WL book it just moves on to the next person and if not then I'm still holding my place in the line to be first to be ordered from, so no harm no foul in my opinion.

Date Posted: 7/21/2008 4:21 PM ET
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I, also, don't understand your anger.  I have a no smoking request.  If I request one of your books, you get to say NO.  That puts me in my place, doesn't it? I now have to wait longer for the book I want (and if yours is the only one in the system, I have to wait even longer).

So, aside from the few seconds you have to dedicate to read my request and hit no, your work is done.  I may be waiting months or even years for the book to become available again.

 

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 10:36 PM ET
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I smoke and I deny any requests that says something about smoke.  Even if it came from my Aunts house for her PBS account....  she's a nonsmoker.  If it's in my house, chances are it may smell like smoke.

I do, however, trade books with a friend of mine who is allergic to smoke.  She says mine aren't too bad.  BUT, she does spray febreeze and fans the book through it and lets it sit for a few days.  She says that get's rid of it for her.  :)

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 7:54 AM ET
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Angela...I hate smoke and I've never noticed your books smelling of smoke.  So smoking on the porch with a book must not have too much of an effect!

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 12:04 PM ET
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 Had a request for a book today. A new release. Over 300 people have it on thier wishlist.  ALSO ALL BOOKS MUST ARRIVE WRAPPED IN PLASTIC WRAP OR THEY WILL BE DENIED AND YOU WILL RECIEVE NO CREDIT! ANY BOOKS RECIEVED WRAPPED IN TAPE WILL BE DENIED.YOU MUST SEND IN A MAILER ENVELOPE!  Guess what, Her request was denied!!!

 

I can understand conditions about smoking and pets but this is the part of his post that really got me.  Where in the PBS rules does it say a book can be denied and the sender won't get credit? I thought RCs were allowed for the condition of the book NOT for wrapping techniques. I would definately deny this request.

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 12:46 PM ET
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Had a request for a book today. A new release. Over 300 people have it on thier wishlist. NO SMOKING AND NO PETS ONLY! ALSO ALL BOOKS MUST ARRIVE WRAPPED IN PLASTIC WRAP OR THEY WILL BE DENIED AND YOU WILL RECIEVE NO CREDIT! ANY BOOKS RECIEVED WRAPPED IN TAPE WILL BE DENIED.YOU MUST SEND IN A MAILER ENVELOPE!  Guess what, Her request was denied!!! 

My goodness, I hope Mark reported this one to PBS. Stating that you are going to break the rules in your RC, WTF!?!?!  The rules say that the only time a book can be refused is for postage due. I am thinking this person (if they ever get any books) will not be a member here for long before they get the boot. I have also denied a wrapping request demanding padded mailer envelope only. I wouldn't normally if I had one to reuse, but the commentary in the RC was so totally insulting to those who don't automatically use mailers that I refused to get down and dig in the cabinet to look for one. I let the person know how their RC came across and received an order again for the book less than a half hour later so I an guessing she pulled the RC.

I find it interesting that Mark is less upset about the appearance RCs like dust jacket that he is about the ones regarding the ability to breathe while reading the book. I can bet it gets really frustrating around here for smokers, but to me a book is the worst place to have that smell, your nose is buried in it for the duration of the reading. Many of his books may be fine to most of us, but since we lack the ability to pick up his books and put our nose in them, we have no option but to RC and forego all books from smoking homes.

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 1:25 PM ET
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Actually Melanie for me it isnt very frustrating. I get maybe 1 out of every 10 (if that) that has a no smoking condition. I just look at it like this, there is never a garuntee that my book will be ordered anyway so canceling because of RC's is no sweat. I actually just removed about 50 books from my shelf to donate because they had been sitting there for over a year.

The only no smoking RC that I ever got that really irritated me was the one that said something along the lines of all smokers are nasty and I dont want their books. That one did tick me off because that was an insult to all smokers. For the most part RC's are nicely worded along the lines of I have allergies please no books from smoking homes (no commentary on the person who owns the book) and are easily denied.

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 3:59 PM ET
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Norma6488 wrote:

"I think smokers are blamed for everything but global warming and it's just ridiculous."

 

I have been thinking about this since it was posted here. Norma, I think this was completely true up to even five years ago, but I now think that people here in the U.S. who take the biggest "hit" for their habits are the overweight (and even that has been recently redefined, lowering the previous BMI to include previously considered "healthy weight" individuals). I see something in the news about it daily- how it effects your kids if you are overweight, your pregnancy if you are overweight, your seating choices on airlines and in theaters, your blood sugar levels, your cholesterol, etc.  I have come to feel extremely sorry for anyone with a weight issue, because they are bombarded with death threats all day long.

And worst, smoking celebrities are cut some slack- I guess its still considered par for the course that many celebrities smoke, but if they gain five pounds they can be assured recent pictures of their bottom will be published in every tabloid known! 

 

Date Posted: 7/23/2008 4:05 PM ET
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Good to know they don't smell Marie!  I always worry about that when I use the book in games where people can't really have any RC's. 

And I really don't think the smokers have much of a problem on this site.  I have maybe received 2 or 3 smokers conditions EVER and I've mailed hundreds of books.....

Date Posted: 7/30/2008 1:51 AM ET
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Some people have smoking conditions because of allergies or because they just don't like the smell. That is their right. BUT there is no reason for anyone on this site to be rude which is how some of the RC's come off espescially the one mark mentioned. Too bad he couldn't put up an RC that said if you r undies are in a wad don't request from me, or nutcases please request from someone else. LOL!!!

Some people here on PBS need to remember that they are making requests to people and remember their manners.



Last Edited on: 7/30/08 1:51 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/15/2008 7:25 PM ET
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I am one of the requestors for non-smoking books.  My late husband had severe COPD and was on oxygen 24/7.  BTW, fabreeze set him off too; made being around it much more difficult for him to breathe, and he had enough problems breathing..

I used to smoke 2 packs/day.  That was 20 years ago, and now, I am allergic to cigarette smoke and my sinus kill me whenever I am around it in any form.

I nicely request books from no-smoking environoments and if I lose out, it is my loss.  I have gotten some requests that were so detailed that I automatically hit refuse and state that there are too many conditions or my book just can't measure up to the pristine conditions that the requestor demands.  Sweetly, of course.  To quote my late step-mother, "that'll learn them."