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Subject: Borders
Date Posted: 2/16/2011 10:07 PM ET
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Well, I've only ever been in four Borders, and all of them are among those being closed.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/Business/___EDIT/ReorganizationClosureList.pdf

-Tom Hl.

Date Posted: 2/17/2011 2:16 AM ET
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I live in the middle of L.A. A year ago there were I think ten Borders stores within 15 miles of my house; after this reorganization there will be two. At the same time there were (and still are) only five Barnes and Noble stores in the same radius. I am not at all surprised that Borders was running at a loss!

Sad to see it in so much trouble though. . .

Date Posted: 2/17/2011 6:34 AM ET
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There are three in southeastern Wisconsin, all of which are closing. I had shopped occasionally at two of them. Besides that I had stopped at two in Illinois, on trips to where one of my daughters lives on the NE side of Chicago. Those are both closing as well. After reorganization, the nearest will be 100 miles from here - so Borders is essentially gone. Barnes and Noble will have a monopoly on brick-and-mortar bookstores in this area - and I wonder how long those will last.
Date Posted: 2/17/2011 12:35 PM ET
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Monopoly being the key word.  And you'll only see the books they want to set out on the shelves.  meh.....  I haven't had very good luck in finding what I want at the brick and mortar stores. 

The nearest Barnes and Noble to me is 44.19 miles, and Borders?  I've only been in the Borders downtown Seattle years ago. If I can't browse for my books and find anything I have to rely on word of mouth on good sf books. (why I value discussion boards) 

Well at least B&N has complimentary wi-fi, so if they don't have your book you can check out the Amazon Kindle store.  And yes I'm aware of the irony here.

oh, ps.  Usurper of the Sun was available as a Kindle download.  Yaaa!



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Matt C. (mattc) - ,
Date Posted: 2/18/2011 4:51 AM ET
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The one near me is closing.  It's a little sad to see bookstores going under, but they did this to themselves.  I love bookstores and I love browsing...but I've been constantly frustrated when trying to find a particular book at the local Border's.  I can't count how many times I walked out empty handed and ended up paying less at Amazon.  And I'm talking about books reviewed in USA Today, not obscure foreign books from 20 years ago.

Date Posted: 2/18/2011 10:08 PM ET
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Per the list all the stores within 70 miles of me are closing. Rats. 

Date Posted: 2/19/2011 1:35 AM ET
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for the last few years i've gone to my Borders nearly every friday, and bought something far more often than not.  my store was pretty decent about stocking the books i wanted to read - the person in charge of the sf&f section likes a lot of the same urban fantasy type books i do.  unfortunately, it is closing.  :(  i was there today scoping things out, and got the email tonight that the going out of business sale (20-40% off) starts in the morning.  no indicators in the store today at all, so i didn't make a list or anything.

of course, if books are only 20% off i can still go to the mall store that is not closing and use the 33% off coupon for this weekend to get my top choice book.  i don't know if it'll be worth going yet.

Date Posted: 2/19/2011 1:38 AM ET
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Ellen -- At the stores around my house that closed in their last batch of closings, in addition to all the regular books being discounted the 20-40% off, there was also a pretty large selection of remainders for $1-3. Don't know if that pattern is going to hold, but it might be worth a look. :)

Date Posted: 2/20/2011 3:48 AM ET
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ah, good to know!  DH didn't want to go down there today, but i'll probably go visit them sooner than friday.

i actually picked up a $1 remainder book friday last week from the same rack where they were buy one get one free the week before (but i couldn't find a second book, so didn't get it then.)  i don't know if they'll have expanded that selection from what they had on friday when i looked again, but it doesn't hurt to check!

Date Posted: 2/20/2011 11:19 AM ET
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I took the Rev. Mrs., and the visiting 24yo son to one of the closing Borders with me, and was reminded why I seldom shopped there. The science fiction selection was pitiful, and even at 20% off, the price of the one book I bought still seemed high compared to online. There was no sf at all in the very small close-out area.
Date Posted: 2/20/2011 3:19 PM ET
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Tom -- I strongly suspect that the major SF/F publishers were some of the ones that had already stopped shipping to Borders because they were so far behind in paying their bills. . . at least, I've noticed over the last couple months that it was getting harder and harder to find any title from Tor on their shelves and there were more and more titles from smaller publishers like Pyr and NightShade Books. . .

But yeah, generally I was never a big fan of their SF/F selection either. The only reason I kept shopping there was that they sent coupons to my email every week. ;)

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Date Posted: 4/4/2011 1:49 PM ET
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Just thought I'd mention that I was down into Illinois yesterday, and while there pulled off the road at a closing Borders I saw.  At 50% off, I picked up 5 recent sf books and 1 science book.  The store was bigger, and the selection (even picked over) was quite a bit better than any I had seen in my area.

-Tom Hl.

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Subject: Support independent booksellers!
Date Posted: 4/5/2011 9:03 AM ET
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OK, I admit that I am a big fan of Amazon.com because they carry EVERYTHING, but when I want to handle books before I buy them I always try to find a local independent bookseller.  The Borders and Barnes and Nobles have almost put these improtant local businesses on the endangered species list and I am not surprises to see the tables finally turning.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2011 12:37 PM ET
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Three of them closing here in MN.  Two of them are in the West and NW of the metro, which I almost never get to anymore.  The other one is on my way to work, but I'm on the bus around that area, so I'd have to drive into work to go there.  We'll see, I'm not feeling like it's worth the effort.

Date Posted: 4/5/2011 2:16 PM ET
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Sounds like a good reason to go patronize your local used-book dealer. ;-) 

Date Posted: 4/6/2011 2:31 PM ET
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It's hard for me to be sympathetic to Borders since the big box booksellers put so many of my favorite mom-and-pop bookstores out of business. Plus, I also feel complicit, trading books at PBS and BookMooch and buying books through Amazon and others online. As a sidenote, I recommend that before buying a book from Amazon, you check first at bookfinders.com. Books there are frequently listed for less than Amazon's cheapest price ($.01 plus 3.99 shipping).

Brad -
Date Posted: 4/7/2011 9:10 AM ET
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I agree Bob about the Borders hurting mom-and-pop stores.

Thanks for the bookfinder idea.  Looks like they search various websites for books, do you know which of those websites are reliable?

Date Posted: 4/7/2011 12:50 PM ET
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I've never had a problem with any of them, but I've probably used ABE, Alibris, and Biblio.com the most.

Subject: Borders in Gainesville Florida
Date Posted: 4/7/2011 5:24 PM ET
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When I used to go back to visit family in Baltimore County in Maryland, where I grew up, I and a high school/college buddy would go to the Borders in Towson, the county seat.  This place was huge, it took up four floors and we would spend the entire day there, often losing track of each other as we got lost in the stacks. For lunch we would go to a bar and pizza place in the basement where his son worked.

So you can imagine how excited I was when I learned that Borders was coming to Gainesville.  But I was extremely disappointed when I first walked in the new store. It seemed that every type of fiction or non-fictiion genre was represented by only a shallow representation.  A lot of what the store sold were those small items that had very little to do with reading but a lot to do with making money.  And there was a huge area for CDs. Plus it was in an area that was difficult to get to and to get out of.  It was certainly not a place where it was convenient to stop by or fun to browse. It was also located quite a ways from the university.   A much better place to browse for books was one of the two Book-a-Million stores.

So I seldom went to Borders and I wasn't surprised to hear a few months ago that it was closing.  I recently had to go to that area to visit another store, and took the time to visit the Borders with its 50-75% sale.  Even with those prices, I didn't find anything I couldn't live without. 

Of course,  one of the second hand books stores here in town has 250,000 volumes on display (it is only open two weekends per month). The cost of books is $2 for hardbacks, $1 for trade paperback and $0.75 for mass market paperbacks.   Then there is our semi-annual Friends of the Library sale that brings people from as far away as Atlanta and Miami for its 400-500,000 items at low cost.   I only go to bookstores now to see what I hope to find at the above sales site, or PBS, or on half.com and Amazon resales.  If a bookstore is going to sell to those people who want to buy a book no one else has handled - and I know many of those people - it needs to really concentrate on its market and offerings if it is to be successful.

We had a locally owned bookstore here, situated across the street from the university, that was considered one of the landmarks of Gainesville.  Even visiting alumni took time to go there. Then redevelopment struck and the store lost its lease and had to move. Years later it too went under at its new location.  The real crime is that its previous location is now an empty lot as the private redevelopment plan went bust.



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Subject: Borders to close all 399 bookstores
Date Posted: 7/20/2011 1:58 PM ET
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Borders is closing it's remaining 399 Borders stores and will cut 10,700 workers nationwide.

There are no remaining Borders in my area after the last round of shutdowns, but others may see close-out sales in their areas.



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