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Subject: Brand new book doesn't have a dust jacket??
Date Posted: 1/23/2011 9:42 AM ET
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Last night one of my wishlist books, Cat Sitter Among the Pigeons (Dixie Hemingway, Bk 6) :: Blaize Clement,  appeared on my request tab. This book was just released on January 4th. I have an RC that requires my hardcover books have their dustjacket. I was shocked this morning to see that the sender cancelled my request for this reason: Book does not meet jacket cover conditions of the Requestor.
How can this be when the book is brand new? I might understand if it was an Arc, but brand new? Or perhaps, she rejects all RCs? But if what she says is true, will my request be continually turned down? How do I find out if this book came with a dustjacket, as I thought most of them do, especially being just released?

 

 

 

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 10:17 AM ET
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Who said the book was brand new? It just appears recently released to me. Maybe the dust jacket got damaged when the sender was reading the book, maybe the sender doesn't like dust jackets and threw it out, there are a lot of possibilities here. If you want the book with the dust jacket, I'd keep the RC and at some point I am sure someone can meet your conditions. 

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 10:17 AM ET
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When I read a hardcover I remove the dust jacket because it just gets in my way.

Maybe this person removed it, then lost it or it got wet or torn. Happens to me.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 11:13 AM ET
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I think it's safe to assume the book is brand new because of it's release date. I wouldn't destroy or throw away a dustjacket on a brand new book that I spent 20 bucks on, but maybe that's just me. My main concern is, does the book actually have a dustjacket? If not, then guess I'm not going to get the book with my RC. Wish I knew for sure. It was a shock to me as this is the first time that I have been turned down on a newly released wishlist book because it doesn't have a dustjacket.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 1/23/2011 11:30 AM ET
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If you have an RC that requires dust jackets, then the dust jackets must meet the same swapping conditions as the book. I.e. if the dust jacket is torn or stained, then it doesn't meet your conditions, even if the book is perfect, so it's entirely possible that the book has a dust jacket but it still doesn't meet your conditions.

If you're concerned, you could change your conditions to "If this book was originally sold with a dust jacket, then I require the dust jacket be included. If the book was not originally sold with a dust jacket, then I have no conditions."

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 11:46 AM ET
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Cathy, all those that you mentioned are in my RC already. So, guessing that the dustjacket was destroyed is probably the best reason for her refusal.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 1/23/2011 1:22 PM ET
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If you've already said you'll take books that never had a dust jacket, then I don't think you have to worry that your request will continually be turned down by other senders, which was the question you asked in your first post. I think it's best to just take this rejection at face value and accept that this member thinks the book she has in her hands doesn't meet your conditions for whatever reason. She might be right, she might be wrong, there's no way to know.

If you find that a couple more members also decide that their copies of this book don't meet your conditions, then it's probably time to reword your conditions or remove them when requesting this book.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 2:04 PM ET
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We've seen PBS members post that dust jackets annoy them and are quickly discarded.  Even as a new release, the dust jacket could have been lost or damaged...at the members home, or even purchased at a discount b/c of damage to the jacket.  There's several possible scenarios.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 2:55 PM ET
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Another possibility, but prob not for this book---

 I buy a lot of  WL HC on sale at the chain stores and so can expect that once in a while they will have a tear in the DJ. Sometimes I keep then just let the requestor know there is a small tear and sometimes I tape it if I'm going to keep the book or loan it to a relative before posting.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 3:50 PM ET
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My main concern is, does the book actually have a dustjacket? If not, then guess I'm not going to get the book with my RC. Wish I knew for sure.

Well, if it helps, I saw an eBay listing for the book that describes it as having a dust Jacket.

I wouldn't worry too much about it, and just see if your second order goes through. For what ever reason, if the sender didn't have the book the way you wanted it, your better off to have them decline. Sooner they decline, sooner you can get to the next offer.

 

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 4:50 PM ET
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Thanks Cindy for finding out it has a dustjacket. I'm just going to wait for the next offer, no problem.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 5:17 PM ET
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Also it's up to you to figure out if a book had a dust jacket to begin with-not the book poster.  Sometimes it's easy to tell but I've had books with a dust jacket that had the same picture printed on the book.  So if the dust jacket was gone-you'd never know it had one to begin with.

I hate dust jackets.  I take them off.  I actually try to avoid hardcovers altogether and only get them if I see them on clearence, at a thrift store or it's the version I get here first.  Although since I joined PBS I am more careful with the dust jackets.  But really, I find them to be a pain in the tush.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 5:24 PM ET
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My husband hates dust jackets too - he always takes them off when reading a new book. He used to trash (well, recycle) them but nowadays I try to grab them and store them somewhere in case he wants to swap the book later.

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 6:17 PM ET
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Also it's up to you to figure out if a book had a dust jacket to begin with-not the book poster.  I disagree Mary, how would I know if this book has a dustjacket or not? The poster would know before I do as she has book in her possession, I don't. This is a brand new book just released, not an older book. 

I think my RC covers every possibility there is about dustjackets:

* If this book is a paperback book, please ignore this RC and send it.

* If this book is a hardcover book, please include its dustjacket.

* Dust jackets are not necessary on cookbooks, gardening, craft books or children's books, if the cover is already illustrated.

* If the hardcover is a novel and  doesn't have a dustjacket but the cover is illustrated, then that is okay for you to send. This especially pertains to LARGE PRINT books.

Thanks!

 

 

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 6:24 PM ET
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I meant that you should do the research to see if it was originally released with one. Someone picking up a book at a used book store or thrift store may not know if it ever had one or not.  Granted a book that just came out 2wks ago isn't likely to be already at a thrift store.  But I've purchased books at the UBS near me that had only been out a very short time. 

Just saying that I don't think it's reasonable to expect the sender to research if the book ever came with a dust jacket or not. 

Date Posted: 1/23/2011 7:09 PM ET
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