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Subject: Does this go in the Broken Spine category?
Date Posted: 3/12/2008 1:13 PM ET
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In some of the romance novels I read they put those "Specials" in the middle of the book.. The ones where you order a book and get a surprise... In 1 of my books where this "Special" is the book is kind of opened there from the book being opened. You can see the spine of the book. Does this classify as a "Broken Spine"

I don't know why they put those in the middle of books. I have had this happen before with other books of mine but wasn't sure if this was okay or not??

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 1:37 PM ET
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it probably does....ask yourself, would you want to spend a credit on that book?  If not, then offer it as a freebie with an order from your shelf.

you can put it in your profile and signature that shows up at the bottom in forums (like mine does below).  Go into Settings and you can alter it there

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 1:42 PM ET
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See, that is why I asked the question. I would not mind recieving this book because it was bought new by me and has only been read by me. But since this Special was in the book it did this to the book and the book is still in like brand new conditions!!

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 2:41 PM ET
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I'd post it & PM the requestor to explain the condition. Anyone who's read Harlequins knows what your are talking about. This way they can decide for themselves if they want the book.



Last Edited on: 3/12/08 2:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/12/2008 7:56 PM ET
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If you can actually see the spine between the pages, you should not post it. It does not meet guidelines.

Posting books that do not meet guidelines and then PM'ng the requestor is just plain wrong. There's nothing in the rules that says you could/should do this, and those that do it are just plain rule breakers no matter how you smooth talk it. Just my opinion, but it is backed up by the Help Center.

I'm sorry I can't find a nicer way to say it, but I get so frustrated seeing people constantly say "go ahead and post it, then PM the requestor". Basically what you have said is, "go ahead and break the rules, then ask the requestor if they want this book that goes against the rules." There's no nice way to say that that is a wrong answer.

I never ask myself if I would pay a credit for this book. I ask myself, "how likely is it that someone might mark this RWP?" If it's probable, then I don't send it. The rules really are plain and simple. And the one that applies here, says:

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book

It doesn't leave any room for wiggle. If there is a separation, no matter what caused it, it's not postable.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 10:15 PM ET
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I don't think I'd call it damaged if you remove a card that designed to be removed.

Date Posted: 3/13/2008 12:23 AM ET
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"I don't think I'd call it damaged if you remove a card that designed to be removed." 

That's what I meant. I wasn't trying to get around the PBS rules. Anyone who regularly reads Harlequins, knows they have a special card in the center of the book promoting some free gift that month. But, they don't add any perforated lines, making the card easy to remove. You have to really pull the whole card out from the spine. Once the card is gone, it creates a separation in the spine where the card used to be, but the whole spine isn't broken, per se. And it's not like the card can be used after the promo is over, so the card doesn't have any value to the next person whether it's left in or taken out & used by the original owner. So the next person can't get upset over it being missing.

But I can understand that the PBS rules are the PBS rules. If the card is removed, there is a separation in the spine.



Last Edited on: 3/13/08 12:25 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/13/2008 1:34 AM ET
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I agree it would certainly be nice if Harlequin put a perforation in the card so that it could be removed without the possibility of damaging the book. But, too many of them damaged the book when they come out. If they don't pull the spine apart, then that's fine, they are postable if it doesn't do damage. I just know that too many of them do.

Sorry to have snapped at you earlier, Jan, it's just too often people give that out, and it really just causes problems. :) Hope you will forgive me for my sharp tongue.

Date Posted: 3/13/2008 8:06 PM ET
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Sherry, there's nothing to forgive. :)