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Subject: Can I do this??
Date Posted: 7/2/2009 2:33 PM ET
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I'm having a little trouble finding an answer in the help docs (it's just one of those days) so I thought I would ask the wise folks here.  I'm sure this has been asked before too, but...see above.

Anyway: if I have a complete series, and would like to offer the entire series as a deal, but ONE of the books (the newest one in the series) is wishlisted...can I do that?  Or is it breaking a WishList Rule? 

I am clueless here, and would appreciate any and all advice!  Thanks..Vicky

 

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Date Posted: 7/2/2009 2:57 PM ET
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I don't think you are supposed to offer postable wishlisted books in the Book Bazaar, although one of the "rules" threads says that you can if you are offering them as a set. Lots of the genre forums have wish list threads, so you might try there after checking into the thread's etiquette.

I'm not really an authority of any sort, so I could be completely wrong about this. Just mentioning what I've seen elsewhere in the forums. Maybe contact a Tour Guide for guidance?

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 3:00 PM ET
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It is my understanding that you can offer WL books, such as to save on postage by sending a group.  But you cannot ask for WL books. 

I've seen it sometimes mentioned in the genre forums that the offer will go to someone who already is on the WL.  (You can see the date the book was added to the WL.)

ETA  And the Book Bazaar has slightly different rules/guidelines that the specific genre forums.



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Date Posted: 7/2/2009 3:36 PM ET
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You are allowed to offer the books as a set for the appropriate amount of credits. I have seen sets offered in the BB where all the books are Wish Listed.

Typically, the way that it is done is:

1. You say the books you have and that you want to ship them together.

2. For the books that aren't WL, someone orders each one off your shelf. For the WL book, someone either already has it, or adds it to their WL, and you post it directly to their WL.

3. That way, all of the books are covered under PBS rules.

In some of the book genre forums, there is a special sticky thread for posting these offers. So, post in the sticky thread if there is one.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 4:09 PM ET
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The Book Bazaar rules state that no there should be no offering or asking for postable Wish List books there. The only written exception to that in the Help Center is that boxed sets can be offered for the total credits. Any postable WL books should not be offered for credits in the Bazaar but there are threads in the Genre Forums set up for situations like yours. TPTB have said that offering a WL book with orders of the rest of the series for free in the BB is a grey area and they've let that go.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 4:39 PM ET
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The Help Docs that address boxed sets do not mention WL books in a box set at all. And, it says to offer in the BB.

The Rules post in the Book Bazaar does not address boxed sets, whether WL or not.

Since the only way to offer books in a boxed set is thru the Book Bazaar (or a genre post), I don't see why she can't make the offer for the complete set.

The whole thing is a gray area in the rules.

It doesn't make sense that she can offer a boxed set of 7 books for 6 credits in the BB (because that's a gray area), but not for 7 credits (which I think is also a gray area becasue it is not specificaly addressed).

I completely agree with the rule about not offering WL books in the bazaar, by the way, I just think that this is a huge exception.



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Date Posted: 7/2/2009 4:52 PM ET
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I was always under the impression that you cannot offer WL books on the BB. But if the book is a freebie then it can be included.

So a 6 for 6 deal seems to be ok then throw in the WL book as the freebie.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 5:11 PM ET
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What if I have a 7 book boxed set and all 7 are Wish Listed. Should it be offered for free?

That's why this doesn't make sense.

And, if it is allowed in a genre post, then it is not against the site rules. It's just against the Book Bazaar rules (possibly), which could be clarified to allow it.



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Date Posted: 7/2/2009 6:42 PM ET
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The whole thing is a gray area in the rules.

Actually Sara, it is not.The Book Bazaar rules clearly state that you cannot offer postable wish list books there, that's pretty black and white. The only grey area is boxed sets because the Help Center says they can be offered there. Not sure where you are getting that a boxed set must be given free or that only 6 credits can be asked for on a 7 book set.  Since the Help Center says that boxed sets can be offered in the Book Bazaar, then it appears that a boxed set with WL books included can be offered in the Bazaar despite the rules. The difference in it is the books are packaged and sold together, not just someone having collected all the books.

I have emailed with the site admin repeatedly about it. I think they need to be much more detailed in their guidelines about this. If someone can offer 5 books in a series that aren't a boxed set, can I offer 3 in the same series, but are not a complete series? If I can offer 3 books that don't complete the series, then how is that different than me offering 3 by the same author? Or three in the same genre? Or just 3 books I read in the same week? Where's the line drawn? I know I wouldn't post a single book into the FIFO system if I could just offer them in the Bazaar to save on postage and I think many people would do the same, which is what they are trying to avoid. 

As for the offering one free with orders, at first they said no. Then when I pressed them about being a freebie they said that was a grey area 'cause what is included free is really outside of the site rules.



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Date Posted: 7/2/2009 6:50 PM ET
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And is a series a boxed set if it does not come in a box? I have the whole harry potter series (sure they arent WL but its an example) they are not in a box so I would not class them as a boxed set. I know some people collect those sets for the boxes that they come in.

I guess the best thing to do in this case is to offer the ones that arent WL in a deal and post the WL book seperately.
Depending on the series will depend on how fast it is snapped up.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 7:06 PM ET
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Not sure where you are getting that a boxed set must be given free or that only 6 credits can be asked for on a 7 book set. 

Because to apparently follow the rules I can only offer postable WL books from my boxed set for free in the BB, becasue it is against the rules to offer a postable WL book in the BB, right?. So, if I have a boxed set  where 1/7 is a WL book, then in order to ship the whole set together, while following all the PBS rules exactly, I can only ask for 6 credits, right?

Unless I'm not understanding something you said earlier. Always possible  :)

I don't know, I think "boxed set" is pretty clear. There are relatively few boxed sets. The books come in a box together, and the box has its very own ISBN.  A boxed set is a special circumstance where the books are packaged together in a particularly attractive way, and if someone is willing to post/mail the set in its entirety, I don't think there should be some kind of "gray area" rule where they are essentially "forced" to separate the books if they want to receive a credit for each and every one.

Books from a series are not a boxed set. Books from the same genre are not a boxed set. Books from the same author are not a boxed set.

A box set where you "sell" 6 of them together in the BB and then have to separate out the 7th (if you want to receive a credit for it, and if you follow the rules exactly) is LESS DESIRABLE to both the sender and the requestor.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 7:16 PM ET
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This is confusing at times, isn't it!  I had all six of the Lindsay Gordon mysteries by Val McDermid; book 6 was wishlisted.  So I posted each one separately.  But it got me thinking.  I have several other complete series, some mysteries, some fantasy and some just regular fiction.  And for some of them, it would be nice to offer the complete set.  For instance, I have all the Diane Mott Davidson in hardcover.  That's 16 books, I believe.  It would be nice to offer the full set, and save some on postage, if I can.

Another set I have is the Dresdin Files by Jim Butcher. But every book is wishlisted, so I was planning on posting those separately. 

I have another set which one of the titles is wishlisted, then it isn't, then it's on a wishlist again! LOL..so on any given day, I would be outside the rules.  Ugh. 

I appreciate all the feedback...sincere thanks to eveyrone who posted here!  When I'm ready, I'll probably just post the non-WL books as a deal, and post the WL book to FIFO.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 8:00 PM ET
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Vicky,

If you were to offer your WL sets in a genre forum, it is permissible to offer them as a set for the appropriate amount of credits (even if they are not a boxed set). For example, if you wanted to offer your Harry Dresdens, you could go to the Paranormal forum, where they have a sticky thread for this exact purpose. You offer to send your Harry Dresdens as a set, and then post them all directly to someone's WL, if they take you up on your offer.

So, this process of grouping WL books together and offering them is not against PBS rules. It is allowed. Just not in the BB.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 8:58 PM ET
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Definitely try the Genre Forum Wish List threads. Those threads enable members to get more WL books into the hands of other members by keeping the costs down. The only place it says we cannot offer WL books in the Book Bazaar, that place is crazy enough.  PBS wants to maintain the WL structure as much as possible, but they understand our need to keep postage costs down, and as long as the genre forum threads don't get out of hand, its all good for the system for members to be getting the books they are wishing for. Just today I used the one in the Young Adult to send a member 3 books in a series that I would not have posted individually because they were over a pound each.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 9:10 PM ET
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I still think that boxed sets where some are WL and some are not might be an exception.

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 9:53 PM ET
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So say book #2 in a series of 7 isn't WL'd but #1 is.  Would you post saying you have #2 as well as all the other books in the series (7) and would like to ship them together for 7 credits??  Would that be legal?

Ruth

Date Posted: 7/2/2009 9:59 PM ET
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Ruth, if you read the rules strictly, apparently it would be legal in every forum except the BB.

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Ditto; Def. check out the forums (ie. for the Dresden books, either SciFi-Fantasy or Paranormal threads). If you'd like to save on postage, going to the specific WL thread, posting what you have, is the way to go, IMO; I was able to ship 6 WL books, to one person, for less than $4.    

Date Posted: 7/3/2009 2:00 AM ET
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And you need to post the book that is WL directly to the requestor's wishlist.  Otherwise it goes FIFO.  Make sure their name is on top of the page.  Have had of lots of problems when posting a deal, if you post on the book page rather than the wishlist page then it ends up as FIFO rather than all to one person.  And the whole point is to save postage.

Another way is to go FIFO, then offer the requestor the other books in the series.  But I won't do that to a boxed set. 

Date Posted: 7/3/2009 8:02 AM ET
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Another way is to go FIFO, then offer the requestor the other books in the series.

Yes, but I wonder how many people would be wishing for say "Fatally Flaky" and not have the other 15 or so  books in the series?  I do like the idea of checking out the genre forums, though.  That might work better than BB.

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Date Posted: 7/3/2009 9:27 AM ET
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Vicky - At least for the Dresden Files books you might be likely to find a taker for all in the Paranormal forum, or at least package a few together to save postage. There is a thread for July 2009 wish list offers. Books usually get snapped up within minutes there. Maybe the LGBT forum for the McDermid books?