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Subject: Cancelled due to having Requestor Conditions--Rant!!
Date Posted: 3/12/2008 6:19 PM ET
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I have been waiting since August 20, 2007 for the book Blind Trust by Terri Blackstock and earlier in the week I received an email that it had been posted and I was next in line to get it, then today I get an email that said CANNOT MAIL, the idiot declined it because I had requestor conditions...not because of what the conditions were but, simply because I had conditions.  "No conditions....not willing to take chance on not getting credit"

I could understand if I had difficult conditions, they are simple (see below).  I know I put in there you could PM me, though I really don't expect that people will but, IF they had a question I wanted to let them know they could and even put my ID so they'd know how.  This person that declined because of them is just !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!* grumble grumble...

My Requestor Conditions:

I am not willing to receive books that are currently in a smoking home. 

No Mass Market Paperbacks (you know those smaller versions), if you don't know ask.

If you have a question  PM me under name Princess65

Thanks

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 6:25 PM ET
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wow, those are pretty simple RC.  if you don't smoke you are ok.  if it is a MMPB don't send.  pretty simple

do you think they didn't know if the book was a MMPB?  or maybe they have gotten burned in the past?  I'm assuming you wouldn't list a MMPB ISBN and know it is the one for the tradeback size

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 6:32 PM ET
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Just a suggestion, but you may want to better define the difference between a mass market paperback and a trade paperback.  Before I became active in the forums I had never heard those terms and would likely have declined just because I wouldn't have known what you wanted. 

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 6:44 PM ET
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You know, the site IS called PAPERBACKswap.  Most of them are mass market paperbacks.   The smoking request is reasonable, but if you don't want a mass market paperback, make sure your'e not requesting one.  (ie. request hardback).  I don't think it's reasonable to ask people to PM you either. 

I don't mean to sound harsh, because I can feel your pain.  When I had requestor conditions, they were " Must meet PBS posting conditions."  You would not believe the number of WL books I didn't get because people wouldn't send their books to me.  I got rid of the requestor conditions and everything is peachy now. 

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 6:44 PM ET
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Christy,

A friend of mine has the "no mass market PB" condition too and she has been turned down multiple times because people say they don't know what it is (they usually don't PM asking to clarify, most just decline).  Just FYI.  Good luck!

ETA:   The smoking request is reasonable, but if you don't want a mass market paperback, make sure your'e not requesting one.

I also prefer trade PBs.  You are not always able to tell if you are ordering trade-size or mass market sized.  Some book descriptions list them as mass-market, others list them just as paperbacks (and they are still the small mass-market books).  So, you take a chance of getting the mass-market copy if you don't have an RC declining them.



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Date Posted: 3/12/2008 6:49 PM ET
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I have heard that there are people who will not accept any requests with conditions, no matter what they are, and it sounds like you ran into one of them.  It is their right to decline any request they want, but it is sure frustrating to be on the other end of that.  I think those folks are in the minority here though, and since it was a WL book, you will have gone back on the WL at #1, so hopefully will have better luck with the next person.

One thing you might consider is rewording your conditions- as they are, they are very blunt, and I have seen some threads where people have said they are put off by that.  They are very simple conditions, but you might want to throw a couple of "please"es in there, just to soften the intensity of the wording.  I also agree with the above regarding some people not knowing the difference between MMPB and trade, and I would think that if you order a trade pb, you will be sent a trade pb and not a MMPB.  So maybe it's not necessary to list that in your conditions, and that would eliminate some confusion.

Good luck- I hope your WL book is posted again soon.

Lesley

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 7:09 PM ET
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You are not always able to tell if you are ordering trade-size or mass market sized.  Some book descriptions list them as mass-market, others list them just as paperbacks (and they are still the small mass-market books).  So, you take a chance of getting the mass-market copy if you don't have an RC declining them.   Exactly!!!!  I am not going to just request HB...that is silly when there are perfectly good trade size paperbacks out there.

I edited my RC's ever so slightly (not because I think they are blunt, IMHO they aren't):

I am not willing to receive books that are currently in a smoking home. 

No Mass Market Paperbacks (you know those smaller versions ).

If you want to PM me my alias is Princess65

Thanks

 

FYI Definition:  Mass Market Paperbacks are 110mm x 178mm (4.33" x 7.01")in size and 130mm x 198mm (5.12" x 7.8")

FYI Definition:  Trade Paperbacks are 135mm x 216mm (5.32" x 8.51")


ETA:  do you know that I have waited all these months to get this book...this happened and as of this posting I have been offered the book again...I'm totally amazed...let's see if this one goes through.. will keep you posted.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 7:14 PM ET
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It is your right to have RCs, but they also have a right to not deal with anyone with them. Do I agree with their policy? NO!, but just a you think they are just !*!*!*!*!* because they did, they think you are a picky  !*!*!*!*!* because you have them. We run the risk of not getting WL books to have RCs, but it is our choice. At least it was a polite turn down and not the nasty chewing out I've seen.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 7:47 PM ET
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Sorry to disagree, but with a WL book I'm very cautious about who I would send to.  I'm not saying I won't send to people with conditions, because I do all the time, but you're radar is definately up and it's a risk.

I do think your conditions sounded a little blunt.  People make those judments based on the tone they get from what you write.  I see them all the time from people who have a friendly vibe, ex. Lots of people say about the smoking something like "if you're not a smoker, give it a sniff, if it smells fine to you I'm sure it's fine."  It's clear this isn't one of the obsessive people who are going to screw you over.

But have you seen some of the posts from people on here?  Some people get really hostile...ummm...like calling somebody a "@#$$%^ for choosing not to accept RCs!  I understand your disappointment, but not anger. 

BTW, call me stupid, but I don't know the difference with the trade/mm books.  You're asking someone to go to another step for you, when they're already wary of you, and they can easily just move on to the next person. 

It' s your right to have RCs, that's your choice, but you're going to get some of this and there's nothing unreasonable about it.

Just my opinon,

Sara

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 7:50 PM ET
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I feel your pain I've had trouble lately getting wishlist books too and it can be rough waiting for them to be posted. I've had 2 wish list books get lost. It's annoying.

I have thought about putting RC but fear people will not want to "deal" with even the most simple ones so I don't.

But seriously people please take the time to contact the person before denying their requests. When I get a request that has RC I will contact the person and go through their requests in a PM just to make sure they are happy. It just takes like 5mins of your day to contact someone. You may make a new friend in doing so.

 

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 7:55 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:06 PM ET
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I don't automatically refuse RCs, but I would probably have in this case.  I just picked up a bunch of paperbacks at Wal-Mart yesterday for WL-ers and frankly I don't know if they're MMPB or not. I wouldn't want anyone to be disappointed when they received the books. 

 

Would you be this upset if they sent you a book you didn't want? 

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:11 PM ET
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For all those that think my RC's were blunt I've revised them...they make me sick but, I put some sugar coating on them for you.  (nope really didn't change them to have all the sugar...sorry that is just not me)

Not to sound testy but, people need to educate themselves just like I did to know the difference in the books they are posting.

Here's the new RC's:

Please, I am not willing to receive books that are currently in a smoking home...thank you!!!

I'm so sorry but, No Mass Market Paperbacks (you know those smaller versions ), I've listed some definitions below if you aren't sure. Thank you so much, my arthritis doesn't allow me to hold the smaller books.

If you want to PM me my alias is Princess65

Thanks

 

Definitions listed below are generalities...not exact measurements.

FYI Definition:  Mass Market Paperbacks are 110mm x 178mm (4.33" x 7.01")in size and 130mm x 198mm (5.12" x 7.8")

FYI Definition:  Trade Paperbacks are 135mm x 216mm (5.32" x 8.51")



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Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:23 PM ET
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See here's the thing...the attitudes in your posts, calling the other PBSer an idiot, this last post, etc. make it seem to me that you're not particularly a person I would want to be swapping with...because you seem pretty darn hostile.  Not that I would know that in advance...which is why many people choose not to get involved in transactions with RCs.

I have no idea what you are really like...I'm just talking about how you come across...so I'm not trying to flame you or anything.

This is why people hit the decline button and move on.

And that's all I've got to say about that.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:37 PM ET
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Christy,

I would remove your definition of trade paperback, because, technically, trade paperbacks may be any size that isn't mass market, including smaller than mass market (I've seen gift books which qualify).  It is always a good idea for members to educate themselves, as you've stated, which is why I hope you will do so with regard to the wildly variable sizing of trade paperbacks before being disappointed in your next swap.

Frankly, it can be hard enough to get new members to read the general rules of PBS, let alone require them to learn terms of the publishing trade, so be prepared to provide clear, concise and accurate definitions as well as face rejections -- rejections are always a risk with RCs.   I have health-related RCs myself, and I find a little courtesy goes a long way toward avoiding rejections.

Cheers,

Catt

 



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Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:41 PM ET
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Coming across as polite is very hard to do in writing.  If I had received your first version, I would have declined too. The "if you don't know ask" line came across as very rude and demanding.  The site doesn't require me to PM someone if I don't understand the RC!

I really like your new version.  But  you have not come anywhere close to sugar coating it!  All you have done now is to politely asked someone to do more than is required by the site.  If I saw this new RC I would be very willing to search the house for that escape artist known as my tape measure in order to be sure I could meet the RC.   It seems like you forgot that RCs ask people to do more than what is required and as such you SHOULD be asking nicely. 

 

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:46 PM ET
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<<It seems like you forgot that RCs ask people to do more than what is required and as such you SHOULD be asking nicely. >>

This is a lovely reminder, Colleen.  RCs don't always require members to go out of their way (i.e. you probably know if you have a ferret-free household without leaving the keyboard), but they are "request" conditions, not "demand" conditions :-)

If common courtesy is too much to manage, then remember that diplomacy is "the art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip", and work from there.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:47 PM ET
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I'm not "darn hostile", sure I'm a bit upset that some people are so narrow-minded that they won't even consider RC's at all but, hey they have that right just like the person has the right to call me "darn hostile" and decide that they probably wouldn't want to swap with me.  Yeah, I think it is a little unreasonable but, this is America if we want to be unreasonable on a site like this we have that right...that is what makes America so wonderful BUT, it also gives me the right to think they are unreasonable.

I certainly don't think it is too much to ask people to educate themselves on the difference in size of books.  I have seen numerous individuals come on these forums to ask what the difference is and I APPLAUD them for making the effort.

I don't think when we list RC's that we should have to sugar coat them with bunches of "please"es and "thank you"s, I said thanks at the end of mine that should have been enough to keep people from thinking they were blunt.

 

ETA:  honestly I wasn't as upset about being declined until people started saying the RC's were blunt (IMHO they aren't) and then people saying if you don't want MMPB then don't order...someone even suggested only order HB.  That all just didn't sit right with me...so, sorry if I came across irate...

Subject: Requestor conditions
Date Posted: 3/12/2008 8:58 PM ET
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My .2 cents worth.  The no smoking request is no problem for me.  Before I joined PBS, a paperback was a paperback..........and I'm not completly sure I know for sure now....that being said, I think I might tend to turn your down-unless i was sending a HB book.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 9:05 PM ET
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Here is the new improved (at least I hope people think so) version of my RC's....

I am not willing to receive books that are currently in a smoking home (you don't have to know the history...if no one smokes in your house then yes, I want the book)

Please No Mass Market Paperbacks (you know those smaller versions )

If you want to PM me my alias is Princess65, I'd enjoy answering questions if you have them.

Thanks

 

Side note on MMPB:  Usually (not always) the Trade Paperbacks are about the size of what the Hardback version of the book would be.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 9:07 PM ET
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"I don't think when we list RC's that we should have to sugar coat them with bunches of "please"es and "thank you"s,"

WOW!!!!!!!  That was ruder than your RC!  I've so sorry that you have not been educated on proper manners.  However, since you APPLAUD people who educate themselves on the different types of books, I am confident that you will take the time to educate yourself on when it is appropriate to say please and thank you.

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 9:16 PM ET
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Colleen....I definitely know when to say Please and Thank you but, should I have to say..."Please no books from currently smoking home, thank you!  Please no MMPB, thank you!!! Oh please, no scented dryer sheets...thank you you are such a dear..."  I don't think that each requestor condition needs to start with a Please and end with a thank you...a simple thanks or thank you is polite...

 

Thank you for your oh so nice cutting remark and for calling me rude I do so appreciate your opinion, won't you please continue to post such educational and uplifting remarks...thank you you are such a dear!!!

ok, I just made myself sick with that .... gags!!!  I guess some of us take things way to seriously...I just prefer folks RC's to clearly and concisely state what they want and don't want...guess everyone doesn't feel that way...



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Date Posted: 3/12/2008 9:17 PM ET
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<<Side note on MMPB:  Usually (not always) the Trade Paperbacks are about the size of what the Hardback version of the book would be.>>

Frankly, this is vague and subjective.  I'd define what a mass market paperback is (without acronyms), rather than what a trade is.  "How do I know how big the hardcover version was?", will go through a lot of minds.

<<(you know those smaller versions )>>

Also vague and subjective.  "No, I don't know", is what will go through a lot of minds.

Something more like:

Due to arthritis, I am unable to accept mass-market paperbacks (mass-market paperbacks are the smaller size commonly found in supermarkets and drugstores, about 7" by 4").  Hardcover and trade (larger size) paperbacks are fine.

Or whatever. 

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 3/12/2008 9:21 PM ET
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Thank you for the clarification.  Unfortunately, the way your other post reads, it seamed that you were saying you shouldn't have to say please or thank you at all.



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Date Posted: 3/12/2008 9:22 PM ET
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<<"I don't think when we list RC's that we should have to sugar coat them with bunches of "please"es and "thank you"s," WOW!!!!!!!  That was ruder than your RC!>>

Colleen is right, it isn't as though you have to spend an extra credit if you say "please".  However, you can word things however you want.  On the flip side, we "!*!*!*!*" "idiots", otherwise known as your colleagues here at PBS, will consider your wording when viewing your requests, and may choose to deny based on that wording.  It is to your benefit, not that of Miss Manners, that you be courteous, but I think that point's been lost ....

Cheers,
Catt



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