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Subject: Challenge Questions
Date Posted: 12/30/2011 2:13 AM ET
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I didn't see a discussion thread, so I figured I'd just post separately. Hope that's okay!

 

I'm not sure what a few of the categories are. Mind cluing me in?

3) wit lit

4) noir (American or otherwise)

5) bildungsroman

7) dystopias

 

And I may see if you all can help me place a few of the classics I have and need to read into these categories. I have a few to start with and need to get in my books room and pull a few more. LOL Thanks for your help!

 

Oh, while I'm here, thought I'd check - are there banners for this challenge? No big deal, but figured I'd add it if there was. :) Thanks!



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Date Posted: 12/30/2011 4:29 AM ET
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DaLynn, most of these terms were explained in much earlier posts. "Wit lit," for instance, deals with humor.

I'm going to quote from sevenspiders for a couple terms. Noir--"a mystery that particularly emphasizes cynical attitudes and sexual motivations, utilizes a stylized urban setting and blurs the line between hero and villain." Authors who write this type of book include Raymond Chandler and Patricia HIghsmith. Bildungsroman--"a genre which focuses on the psychological and moral growth of the protagonist from youth to adulthood." Examples include David Copperfield, Jane Eyre, and A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

And, from Wikopedia, dystopia refers to "the idea of society in a repressive and controlled state." Examples would be Brave New World and 1984.

Welcome to the Challenge!

                                                                                                                                  Rose

 

Date Posted: 12/30/2011 10:20 PM ET
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HA! Well, okay then! I guess my issue is partly that I have no idea what most of these books are about, so I have a little research to do before I know which category the books I have will fit. :-)

 

Might either Mere Christianity (Lewis) or The Pilgrim's Progress (Bunyan) qualify as having changed the world?

I noticed someone else had changed the "dystopias" category to also reflect "utopias." Is this okay? I have Islandia which states on the cover a quote from The New Yorker calling it "the great classic of utopian fantasy." Might that count for this category?

 

I also have two Sherlock Holmes collections that I may enjoy trying to fit in if they do fit. I may end up doing at least one of them as a "my choice" category. I have The Original Illustrated Sherlock Holmes with reprints from 1892-1905, then The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes with reprints from 1908-1927. I wasn't sure until looking it up for this that they weren't the same thing, or at least had some repeats. They don't! Wow!! (Seeing "noir" includes mystery, and not knowing much about these Conan-Doyles, might any of this count? The Illustrated has the full context of The Hound of the Baskervilles so maybe I'll look up that part.)

 

Okay after doing some googling, the Mirriam-Webster website defines "noir" as crime fiction featuring hard-boiled cynical characters and bleak sleazy settings. So, by that definition, Hounds probably qualifies! Wouldn't you say? I don't think there ever was a harder-boild, more cynical character than Sherlock Holmes (or at least my impression of him, having not read him yet). But I think that maybe, judging by the length of this book, I shall only read that novel from it and not commit myself to the entire volume. LOL

 

Anyway. Thanks so much!



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Date Posted: 1/1/2012 6:11 AM ET
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I always considered Sherlock Holmes as early Cozy Mysteries, kinda along the lines of Agatha Christie. When I think of Noir, I think of something darker, like the Maltese Falcon by Dashiell Hammett or Phantom Lady by Cornell Woolrich .

I chose the Phantom of the Opera for Noir, though not sure how much of a mystery it is. Rose or Tome Trader could probably give a better judgement. on Holmes. I have read all of the Holmes stories, but not a lot of Noir. I think the two I listed above are probably the only ones I have read.  

As for the other categories, we can change categories to a book from the 100 list or of your own personal choice if you cant find anything that interests you in that particular category. I changed the Author's Letters category to a my choice.

 

ETA: I saw on your challenge list you had a list of books you werent sure where to place. YOu could change the challenges to fit some of the titles. Many of the books, if not all are on the Top 100 list.



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Date Posted: 1/1/2012 2:55 PM ET
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I agree with everything Polbio wrote: that Sherlock Holmes stories are more "cozy" reads than "noir," for instance, and also that our list gives everyone the freedom to readily make substitutions.

I think "The Phantom of the Opera" qualifies as "noir," although it is quite tedious to read (I'm a Phantom fan, but I admit that the original book requires endurance on the reader's part).

I still have to finish up a couple books from last year's challenges (Classics and Contemporary), but I should be with the current program by the end of the week.

Happy reading, everyone!

                                                                                                         Rose

Date Posted: 1/2/2012 11:23 PM ET
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Thanks so much!

 

I looked up the list, or what I thought was the list, and didn't see any of these books? I had one or two from there, actually I think I used one, but most of those were not on there.

 

Well, pooh on the Holmes! The definition I found I thought it may fit! :( I read Phantom in 2010! I really did enjoy it. Was a bit tedious in places, but I was expecting it to be much darker and scarier than what I found it to actually be. I am SO not into horror, stay away from it on purpose (in fact, it's blocked on my list here), and was a little worried as to whether I'd enjoy Phantom or not. Was very pleasantly surprised. I'll keep looking for something that may fit here. I have a few 'darker' books but they wouldn't be classics I'm sure.

 

Someone PM'd me and said I could use Alice in Wonderland (on my "have it, does it fit?" list) for wit lit. Very cool! Going to go look now and see if there's anything else I can tweak. :)

 

Thanks again!

 

 

ETA -

OOOH, oooh!! Can I move Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde to noir?? Then I can just pick something else for "short." That one's easy to find another one to fit. :)

 

I tweaked some. I think now all I need is a dystopia. I'd love to read 1984... maybe I can find it at the library! And I subbed in Great Expectations. Didn't see it on that list, but saw that the sub clause includes "or any classic author" so I ran with it. :P That work? It makes me happy so I think yes. HAHA!



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Kat (polbio) -
Date Posted: 1/3/2012 4:00 PM ET
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You can find 1984 as a free ebook online, i believe. Many classics are available on Project Guttenburg (sp?). If you have a nook or kindle, you can download it for free or cheap as well. 1984 is a great book.

Date Posted: 1/4/2012 12:22 AM ET
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Do you know where I can find it for free online? I looked the other day and again tonight and don't see it anywhere. It may be at the library though. THanks!

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Date Posted: 1/4/2012 8:28 AM ET
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I thought maybe you could get it on Project Guttenburg, but I was wrong. Sorry. If you have a Nook, Barnes and Nobles has the nook book for only $2, otherwise, yes a libary should have copies.

Date Posted: 1/4/2012 12:06 PM ET
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Try this:  http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/

Date Posted: 1/5/2012 2:13 AM ET
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Thanks Sheila! Thanks everyone!

 

Actually I picked it up at the library today. LOL And also The Silmarillion - I'm excited to bring in the new year with Tolkien! WOOT!

Date Posted: 1/5/2012 10:46 AM ET
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I love the Holmes stories but definitely wouldn't count them as noir. Sherlock Holmes is too clear a hero, lacking the moral ambiguity of a noir detective like Sam Spade or Phillip Marlowe. Phantom of the Opera I'd consider a gothic horror and I actually quite like the original Leroux novel. This challenge is supposed to be fun, so pick a book that appeals to you and don't worry so much about the categories.