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Date Posted: 3/19/2009 10:18 AM ET
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Date Posted: 3/19/2009 12:09 PM ET
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hmm..I found this out by accident myself..I had bought some stuff on clearance at one walmart and decided I didn't want/need it but returned it at the walmart near me and the store credit was more than I thought I'd paid..turns out it wasn't on clearance at that store so I made money off that transaction.

as far as I know the manufacturer reimburses the store so the store itself isn't out any money unless they double or triple. one store I frequent will only give store credit(without a receipt) for the lowest price the item sold for within 30 days..bummer if you actually paid full price but it keeps the store from losing so much money.

heck if I didn't hate returning items so much I'd be tempted to do the same I think but I"m sure eventually the manufacturers will either cut back on the coupons or stores may stop giving store credit without a receipt.

Date Posted: 3/19/2009 2:22 PM ET
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To me, it qualifies as stealing. A lot of stores locally have recently changed their return policy to where you must have a receipt in order to return an item, because people buy things on clearance/sale/with at one store and return it to get the overage. You did use a coupon so the store probably isn't losing out much, but I can't see it as a good thing.
Date Posted: 3/19/2009 3:52 PM ET
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I think it's not ethical, personally.  The coupons were given to you to encourage you to use that manufacturer's product.  You are making it so they are paying for you to buy something else.   

Date Posted: 3/19/2009 4:03 PM ET
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I'm curious how many stores actually allow returns without a receipt? Iknow walmart does or at least did - I seldom return stuff.

Date Posted: 3/19/2009 4:29 PM ET
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I work at a grocery store, and often work at the courtesy desk handling returns.

Our store has a "no hassel" return policy. So, I wouldn't bat an eye at giving you the current price of the item if you don't have a receipt.

But, there are only a half dozen of us working the courtesy desk.

If you are returning things constantly w/o a receipt, and it appears fraudulent, we would mention it to the manager, and eventually, you'll be asked to shop somewhere else. It would take a lot for that to happen, but it would.

Case in point: There was a guy who was hanging around outside, and if another customer dropped a receipt or even put it in the outside garbage, he would take it, go back into the store, get the items on the receipt & return them for cash. It took a while before the store caught on to what he was doing, then they "let" him do it for another month or so before they took action & had a solid case to present to the local cops. I think they agreed that if stayed away, they wouldn't press charges.

 

The moral is that your actions won't go un-noticed, especially if you do this often.

And the only person you're hurting is your friends, family and neighbors. Good for you! You got a "free" dollar from the store. But, don't complain when people say that stores are making more stringent return policies or refusing to accept certain coupons.

In all sincerity, as a shopper all I can say to you is "Sham on you!"

 

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 8:57 AM ET
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Date Posted: 3/20/2009 1:35 PM ET
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Actually, while I suspect it was a mistype, it's not entirely inaccurate:

1 : a trick that deludes : hoax <feared that the deal was a sham>

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 8:13 PM ET
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I'm surprised there are stores out there that allow returns without a receipt.  Especially on grocery items.  I do returns at the store I work at, our policy is no refund without a receipt.  We will exchange without a receipt only if the item is in resaleable condition and it's something we actually sell.  That is rare though.

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 8:52 PM ET
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I'd be fine with taking the freebie item and donating it somewhere. But I wouldn't consider it ethical to seek a refund. This would be a form of stealing for me. And all those actions - shoplifting, fraudulent returns - add up and end up raising costs for everyone.

Plus, I'm a big believer in karma or the "Golden Rule", so I think sooner or later you'll be on the receiving end of something similar.

Date Posted: 3/21/2009 2:17 AM ET
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<<"Sham" on the shopper? You're going to wipe them with a cloth? "Sham" on bad spelling! ;-)>>

Have it your way--

You're a thief.

Hope you're proud of yourself.

 

 

Date Posted: 3/21/2009 1:39 PM ET
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Well since your asking for opinions, I consider that cheating, stealing, lying . . . . . however you care to label it, it's deceitful and wrong, imo. And as someone else already mentioned, it ends up raising prices in the long run.

I once got 2 tubs of ice cream for free after coupons. The cashier had a hard time getting the coupons to go through but finally managed to override the register and make them go. When I got home and started putting away the groceries I realized that it was the wrong brand of ice cream! The store didn't even carry that brand but one that had very similar packaging, hence the mistake. I hustled back to the store the next morning to return them and explain the error. The manager was shocked that I would bother to bring them in and I told her, what kind of person would I be it I didn't? I try to always do the right thing. I fail at it more times than I care to think about, but I try.

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Date Posted: 3/26/2009 10:38 AM ET
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Since I've started couponing, I've gotten a lot of things for free with coupons and thought about the fact that I could return them without the receipts and make back the money that they would have cost.  To me, that's crossing the line, though-- to me it would feel like stealing. 

Date Posted: 3/26/2009 9:03 PM ET
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Plain and simple this is stealing. You wouldn't have put this post on here if you didn't think so from the start. You are a thief!

Date Posted: 3/27/2009 8:47 AM ET
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Date Posted: 3/27/2009 11:29 AM ET
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Seems unethical to me. The wife and I are huge deal hunters, coupon users and thrifty shoppers but we have a code of conduct.

We use coupons or accept offers only for things we will use or may use if we like the product after getting a free unit.

We will never return something for cash that we used a coupon on, we will ask to exchange for the same product.

This way we get a good deal, the manufacturer gets a sale and exposes us to their product (which is the purpose of the coupns/offers), and the store we buy from gets a sale. This should be the outcome, in our opinion, for the use of offers/coupons.  If you don't seriously want to try the product (or give the product to someone who wil), then you should not use the coupon  . Period.

If abuse gets bad enough stores will stop accepting coupons (some already have stopped accepting coupons printed from websites) and manufacturers will stop offering coupons.



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Date Posted: 3/27/2009 1:20 PM ET
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Plain and simple this is stealing. You wouldn't have put this post on here if you didn't think so from the start. You are a thief!

I wouldn't do this either, but there's no reason to be so rude.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 10:21 PM ET
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Even though its unethical I doubt anyone is making a career out of doing this. Its takes time/effort to keep returning things for store credit.

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 12:23 AM ET
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I think it's unethical, and not just because of the money but because of the intent. The intent of the coupon is to get you to try the product and hopefully buy more. The company is betting that you'll like the prodcut so much that they are basically willing to pay you (by giving you money off) to try the product. If you don't like the product, they're out a little bit. If you do like it, of course, they make money.

Taking the product and returning it to the store means the store is out of money because they are replacing your discounted product with a full price product. So, let's say the dog biscuits cost $3.00. Your coupon lets you get them for free. The manufactorer reimburses the store $1.50 (the wholesale cost of the product). You return the biscuits and get $3.00 in another product. You basically got away with $1.50 in free product that the store did not intend to give you, and they will not get reimbursed for.

I don't know if I'd say outright stealing, but I do think it's unethical.

If you got a book from PBS in the mail, and it looked brand new, and even had a sticker from a bookstore, would you take it to the bookstore and trade it in? Or -- better question -- would you buy a book, read it and bring it back?

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 9:18 PM ET
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Or -- better question -- would you buy a book, read it and bring it back?

I have done that. Not a lot, but it's happened once or twice. Oh no!

Date Posted: 3/31/2009 4:09 AM ET
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<<Still not sure whether it's going to change what I do either.>>

Heather, you epitomize what's wrong with America!

Date Posted: 3/31/2009 1:03 PM ET
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Cheating!!

Date Posted: 3/31/2009 4:01 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/31/2009 4:31 PM ET
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Now seriously, this thread is making me tired. It was posed as a "what if" scenario such as they have the TV show "What would you do?" on TV.

Um, what? Your post wasn't hypothetical at all. You said "I did this yesterday" and then asked if it was cheating or savvy. People obviously had strong feelings about it, but you opened the door. Sorry you didn't get the responses you wanted.

Date Posted: 3/31/2009 5:07 PM ET
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Um, it cant be a what if questions if you actually did it ""So, yesterday, I did. And got over $8 in store credit.""

Its also the main reason that most stores do require proof of purchase. I do view it as unethical and taking something that is not yours.

You are better off getting the item and donating it as you had planned to do or else in the future the companies might not be giving out those coupons.

And it appears you are done with this thread because no one agreed with you or made comment how you assumed they might. 

 

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