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Subject: Civil Liberties: Doesn't Mean What You Think It Means
Date Posted: 6/8/2009 12:26 PM ET
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http://www.ala.org/ala/alonline/currentnews/newsarchive/2009/june2009/westbendbabybebop060309.cfm

Some lunatics (calling themselves the Christian Civil Liberties Union) in Wisconsin want to burn (not just ban) Baby Be-Bop.  Oh, and they're also seeking over 100K in damages because,.. okay, I have no idea, fear of the gayz, I guess.

Kat (polbio) -
Date Posted: 6/8/2009 7:51 PM ET
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I am amazed at the churches that push hate but yet preach tolerance and the "love of Jesus Christ". It is sickening, but yet WE are sinners and will go to hell. A couple of years ago we had that church from the midwest ( Kansas or Kentucky, sorry cant think of it right now) came and tried to protest at the funerals of the amish girls who were cruely executed by their milk man (a non-amish from the community). Thankfully the police made sure they didnt get anywhere near it. But they do or atleast were protesting soldier's funerals. THese people dont know the meanign of civil liberties and it is disgusting what their view of the world is.

ETA: The "plaintiffs" are out of their mind. They werent exposed to anything. It was on a library shelf and they didnt need to glance at it. And even if they did, why would they feel they deserve $30k a piece in damages. They were that shocked?? If a judge actually allows this, it will open teh door to so much more. I mean, I might find some of the covers of romance books offensive, so i can sue the library and get $30k, right?



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Date Posted: 6/9/2009 1:45 PM ET
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Can I sue for being exposed to Twilight?  Because I really really don't like Twilight.  Which is basically the argument they're using.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 2:52 PM ET
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Can I sue for being exposed to Twilight?  Because I really really don't like Twilight.  Which is basically the argument they're using.

If only. 

What's most galling to me is their creepy, Orwellian use of the phrase "civil liberties".  These people are free not to be exposed to Baby Be-Bop (alas, we do not have that choice when it comes to Twilight), they are equally free to purchase their own copy of Baby Be-Bop and ritually burn it. Can we all agree that this is the most egregious mis-use of the idea of a "hate crime" ever?

 

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:22 PM ET
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Oh, good grief.  There are so many idiots in the world. 

Date Posted: 6/10/2009 12:43 AM ET
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Correct me if I'm wroing, but I don't recall the Constitution having any clause or amendment stating that you have the right to go through life and never be offended by anything. 

Ugh.  Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

Date Posted: 6/10/2009 1:12 AM ET
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Can I sue for being exposed to Twilight?

Bwaaahhaahhaaaa!!! That's funny!

I guess I should sue San Jose State for the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction contests, huh?

*mutters to self about the stupid, fearful, hateful, jerks*

Date Posted: 6/10/2009 9:02 AM ET
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Can I sue for mental anguish after reading some of the posts in forums on certain book trading web sites???

 

 

 



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Amy
Date Posted: 6/10/2009 4:16 PM ET
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Wow, that is really ridiculous. Have they ever read Fahrenheit 451? Oh wait.. they probably want that burned, too. Morons.

Date Posted: 6/12/2009 11:21 PM ET
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I should sue my school because those stupid Left Behind books are in the library. Of course, I'd probably be laughed out of town...since I'm the librarian and get to decide what does and does not go in the library.

Recently, a student got very upset with me because I refused to remove the books on Barack Obama from the library. The reason? He thinks Obama is a Mormon terrorist.

Date Posted: 6/16/2009 4:05 PM ET
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A mormon terrorist?  That's a new one.  I would think a large segment of the book burning public would be thrilled with a LDS president.

A follow up on Salon:  http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2009/06/16/francesca_lia_block/index.html

 

 

Date Posted: 6/16/2009 8:22 PM ET
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:::headdesk:::

:::headdesk:::

Date Posted: 6/17/2009 9:39 AM ET
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A Mormon terrorist?  What happened to Obama being a Muslim?  Now he's a Mormon as well?  He sure is one busy guy.................

 

Subject: thanks for the good laugh---much appreciated
Date Posted: 9/24/2009 9:29 AM ET
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A Mormon terrorist!  What a kick!  Last year one individual sent me fevered e-mails claiming that Obama is a Muslim!   And besides, he belongs to (gasp!) A  BLACK CHURCH!   Egads----make up your mind, lady!

 

Isn't it amazing how people who can't read or won't read are first in line trying to limit the availability of books they think they don't agree with?

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Date Posted: 9/24/2009 12:07 PM ET
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Mormon terrorist, muslim terrorist...I mean when you're an ignorant racist it's all the same thing! 

Date Posted: 9/25/2009 3:46 PM ET
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I hope you don't mind, but I've been lurking in your forum.  You all have the most interesting conversations, and I love reading them.  :)

I just wanted to say that not all Christians agree with this thinking, so please try not to paint us all with the same brush (just saying in general, not accusing anyone).  I don't agree with censorship at all, and I actually read a lot of different types of books, both secular and Christian.  I think it's up to the individual person/parent to monitor what thier child reads; it's not up to us to determine what society as a whole reads. 

Anyway, I think demanding the library to burn that book (or any book for that matter) is way extreme and unnecessary.  :(



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Date Posted: 9/27/2009 11:17 PM ET
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I try to keep in mind that these people who are demanding that books they object to be burned as part of their agenda of shoving their religion down our throats are the same people who are accusing us of shoving our atheism down theirs. These people who are denouncing president Obama because they can't decide if he's a muslim or mormon terrorist are the ones who were demanding a few years ago that anyone who criticized president Bush be shot for treason.

Remember, there seems to be only one rule that the radical right wing keeps to: "rules are for other people".

Date Posted: 9/28/2009 3:16 PM ET
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I think painting all Christians with the same brush is wrong-headed.  I think it's as much an example of fuzzy thinking when these sort of generalizations are made by athiests, or the left, as when they are made by anybody else. JMO. 

i.e. I think Patricia makes a valid point.

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Date Posted: 9/29/2009 3:06 AM ET
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Caviglia, I agree; please note that at no time did I say Patricia is part of the radical right wing I'm complaining about. The fact that she can be here and have a civilized conversation with us rather proves that she isn't.

For what it's worth, among my friends I count three ministers, an orthadox priest, and a rabbi. They all think right wing fundamentalist christian evangelicals are nuts too.

Date Posted: 9/29/2009 3:23 PM ET
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I consider myself a radical right-wing fundamentalist christian and I think the problem comes in, with any group, when the followers aren't educated, but are steeped in an emotional or fear-based belief system. It's then that you think the existence of any other ideology than your own is a threat to you. Whereas if you can detach yourself and just look at things logically you can say, hey, there's a book I don't like...how about I just don't read it. Or if you're really brave, hey, there's a book I don't like...why don't I read it and see why I don't like it, or maybe whether it has any truth to it. 

I think the fear these people live in comes from ignorance, but they also impose this ignorance upon themselves because of their own fear. It just breeds anger and irrational behavior. But I've been there and I get where they're coming from. I just wish they could see that the only belief system a person need concern himself with is his own. Other people believing, writing, performing other beliefs is no threat to your own. Unless censorship is involved, in which case stand up and fight. I despise censorship, I think, above all else. And believe me, it exists not only with the right-wing evangelicals but on the far left of the spectrum as well. Basically anywhere there is a person or group that wants to be in control.

Anyway, hope you don't mind my jumping in, and thanks for providing the discussion.

Abby

Date Posted: 9/29/2009 3:42 PM ET
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Caviglia, I agree; please note that at no time did I say Patricia is part of the radical right wing I'm complaining about. The fact that she can be here and have a civilized conversation with us rather proves that she isn't.

And I never said that you did.  I'm not sure what you are responding to.

Date Posted: 12/16/2009 3:11 PM ET
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Jim Jones hobnobbed with politicians & presidents: yet his "followers" drank poisoned kool aid: not sure what he was supposed to be; connected with a "church" of some kind:

"independent thinking" is certainly something that needs to be followed: not a "crowd" mentality  of folks easily swayed by propaganda tactics tried and true; sadly, Amazon & other top Corps have "deleted" 1984 Cromwell's book re "massive deception" using media tactics painting false pictures and giving false reports;  (from our own nation's history folks)

John Beeson, in Oregon in 1854, had to choose exile as the "democratic" way was to do just that; set "truth" aside and give false information via the media; his letter to the editor of a California newspaper was given to a judge: and he became a hunted man;  Orwell's book says that telling the truth will be "revolutionary": sadly, in 2009, it continues to this day; used to 'sway" public opinion, and refusing to tell the truth: independent media is the only way to really know what is truly going on.

Most librarires here in Oregon & Calif are already being "edited" by one Corporation: as to what will & will not be "allowed" in; removing "phonics" of course was trying to remove the ability of people to read; other than what was on perhaps a "milk" carton:

Of course, removing all nutrtional values from foods: and using chemicals to cause illnesses: was done via "media" and so called "authorities" saying what was "better for you" when in reality it was not true at all;  yet the "masses" of the people (here in the USA etc) went along with it; so that has something to say about us, now doesn't it?  Al Ries book on "marketing" explains how this works, our minds work, and much more; extremely interesting read;

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Ashley, seriously... please find a good psychologist and bring them a copy of that post. That's a lot of paranoia for one posting, and if you believe half of that stuff you need mental health care, urgently.