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Subject: clean cars.
Date Posted: 2/24/2009 1:23 PM ET
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I recently got a new car, one of the selling points was that this car emits less carbon then most any other car  out there, the only car that produces less is the hydrogen cell car.  I got the subaru outback and it has partial zero emmissions.  It states that it gets 20mpg in city and 24mpg highway. um they lied..LOL so far I get 22mpg in city and have yet to give it a good highway test.

I had no clue about the low emissions until the salesman mentioned it, and since have seen research to back it up.  The Prius might use a battery BUT it produces just as many emissions as most other gasoline cars.  I am surprised that its not been prompted or talked about more.

So if you are looking at getting a new car that has very low carbon emissions check out Subaru. Plus the prices of them are rather great these days.

Though I still want a hydrogen fuel cell car :)

Date Posted: 3/6/2009 8:08 AM ET
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Is the Outback a hybrid with a huge battery?

How much carbon was emitted to make the battery?

 

Date Posted: 3/12/2009 4:44 PM ET
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Prius is a partial zero emissions vehicle as well. 

Date Posted: 3/12/2009 4:51 PM ET
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Here's a list of Partial Zero Emissions Vehicles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Partial_zero-emissions_vehicles

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 4:10 PM ET
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Chuck, no the outback is not a hybrid. Where I live a hybrid gets poor mileage due to not many stop lights.

Yes the Prius is partial as well but the Outback has less then the Prius from what I read. Plus as Chuck asked how much carbon does it take to make a hybrid battery? Since they have to be swapped out every so many years.

Thanks for the list Mindy, just surprises me why they do not promote this feature.

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 4:41 PM ET
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The batteries don't have to be swapped out every few years.  Common misconception.  Each individual cell can be replaced if neeed, one by one, and even in the oldest Prius', battery replacement has not become an issue yet.  The first Prius came out in Japan in 1997.  I know of a lot of motors that don't last that long.  Sure, the regular 12v has to be replaced every few years, but it's just like every other car's 12v.

The Prius battery pack that powers the car are also recyclable.  When the cells are replaced, they are sent directly to Toyota recycling. 

I don't know that the Outback's PZEV status is any better than the Prius.  I haven't seen any side by side comparisons on that.

The Prius was just ranked number one green car by Consumer Reports, again.  6th year in a row.

As far as Prius not getting as good of mileage because of a lack of stoplights, I don't buy that.  Not many stop signs around here and I average 45-50 mpg.  It's about how you drive and how you maintain it.  Temperature is also a huge factor.  All cars get worse gas mileage when it's cold outside, and Prius is no different.

Date Posted: 8/6/2009 12:17 PM ET
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They didn't lie about the mpg... i bet if you look close at the sticker, it will say 18-22 mp in small gray print under the the big number 20 mpg.

 

I just traded out my Chevy Silverado 1500 crew cab (14 mpg!) for a Mazda 6.  Which I was happy to discover, is on that list of partial zero emission, whatever that means.

My sticker said 28 city, 32 hwy, but under neath each large number it said (26-30) and (30-34).  It all depends on how conservative of a driver you are.  I've been getting the high end of the specturm also.

Date Posted: 8/8/2009 6:30 PM ET
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Our new Honda Fit rates an 8 out of 10 (5 average) on the EPA's overall scale, which includes emissions.  That's not too bad.   It rates at 30mpg combined, reality as usual is higher.   (http://www.greencar.com/find-a-car/mpg-ratings.php has ratings, http://www.greencar.com/articles/tip-buy-green-cars.php has some explanation). 

More importantly than any ratings, our car is fairly "green"  simply because we drive very little.  Even our old 18 mpg and probably poor emissions minivan was "greener" than most other cars I know of--simply because we didn't drive it much.  We used less than 15g of gas a month.  It just started getting unreliable & the CARS program appeared about the same time, so we switched.  The savings from gas will not pay off the new car for a very long time!