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Subject: Cleaved spine??
Date Posted: 2/7/2008 9:06 AM ET
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Can someone explain to me what a cleaved spine is?? or have pics?

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 9:20 AM ET
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 http://www.pixelsplus.net/books/damaged.htm

I wish I could credit the person who first shared these, but I'm not sure who it is.  Anyway, hope that helps!

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 1:13 PM ET
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It was me Amy and everyone is welcome to save the link. I do apologize for the slow load however I wanted the spine perfectly clear. Hopefully it will cut down on some of the bad books we all are receiving.

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 1:17 PM ET
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I have to say, I was more distracted by that image's text -- how did you ever notice the spine? :-)

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 1:51 PM ET
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I was just about to post that Elizabeth. I was totally distracted by the loins afire and all the thrusting going on....hmmm, might need to find a copy of that book.  LOL!

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Date Posted: 2/7/2008 2:11 PM ET
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I had to go back and look at the link.  I can't believe I missed the text looking at the cleaving...

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 2:18 PM ET
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LOL! Well it's no wonder that book is cleaved. Looks like someone got a little over excited. ;-)

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 2:21 PM ET
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LOL...well your NOT supposed to read the pages. The book was the closest to me at the time so I scanned that one. Silly ladies!!!! Obviously that book isn't on my shelf now.



Last Edited on: 2/7/08 3:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/7/2008 3:14 PM ET
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Hehe - I had to go back and read.  Nice!

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 3:20 PM ET
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With text like that, who cares if it's cleaved....lol

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 7:01 PM ET
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Thought it was asked for a cleaved spine not a cleavage spine :)

Date Posted: 2/7/2008 8:55 PM ET
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Date Posted: 2/8/2008 3:21 PM ET
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Thanks for asking this question, Ive seen it mentioned here a few times before.  I searched here and Google and didnt get results. 

Date Posted: 2/8/2008 3:36 PM ET
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Interesting cleavage discussion

Date Posted: 2/8/2008 4:30 PM ET
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Yeah, I was too distracted reading about their "slapping, sucking sounds" to notice the cleavage...er, cleaved spine.

Date Posted: 2/8/2008 10:10 PM ET
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OK, this is hilarious, but I've got to get back on topic for a moment to state once again that the terms "cleaved" and "cracked" are not in the PBS book condition guidelines. The guidelines for the binding are:

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Please do not use "cleaved" when you receive a damaged book. Use the book condition guidelines. It's easier to ask for a credit back that way. :)



Last Edited on: 2/8/08 10:10 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/8/2008 10:27 PM ET
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Thanks for getting this thread back on track, Jane.

But really, after reading those pages, I probably would have accidentaly broken the spine as well - whew, is it getting hot in here?

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 10:30 AM ET
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Okay, so just to clarify.

I just received a book that looks like that- cleaved spine. It stays open in a few different places, that means the spine is broken, correct? The pages are still attached. I will not be able to repost it in this condition, I wouldn't feel right about it., especially as it is in overall deteriorating conditiion also.

But, was this book not postable by the person who sent it to me? Should they not have posted it? The book conditions guidelines say it is okay if a book stays open to a certain place. Is this something I would mark received with a problem? What happens to my credit, do I get it back? Does the person who posted this book receive a credit if I mark it received with a problem?

I know I asked a lot of questions, I appreciate any help!!!

Thanks!

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 10:51 AM ET
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As I understand it, the pictures that Trish posted are ones that she made, and do not represent anything official from R&R.

Personally, I think that both of those PPB books are postable. Yes, the binding will not last much longer, but all pages are still attached to the spine (the pages are adhered directly to the cover on a ppb, not necessarily to each other) and the cover is not broken or split. I've seen books in worse shape than those at my local UBS, and asking for a lot more than $3.45 (current cost to buy a credit).

The offical PBS rules are:

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Those books tend to open at a particular page and the cover is still intact. IMO, they're postable. And I think there are others who would feel that way.

But this is one of the few "gray areas" that seem to keep popping up. To some, this is acceptable, to others it is not. Personally, I don't mark books in this gray area as RWAP. I only mark them RWAP if it's clearly unpostable.

It's up to you as to what to do regarding posting it again once you're done.



Last Edited on: 2/13/08 10:52 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/13/2008 10:59 AM ET
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I think this is one of those gray areas.  To me, if the spine is cleaved, then the binding is not intact.  I would consider that book unpostable.  Can anyone clear this up? 

Date Posted: 2/15/2008 10:33 AM ET
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BUMPING.  Anyone?

Date Posted: 2/15/2008 11:02 AM ET
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Jane, you are correct I did scan the book images however I really cannot understand how you feel those books would be postable. You can clearly see the spine in both pictures meaning neither the page on the left or the page on the right is attached to the spine. So, obviously per the guidelines The books in the images DO NOT meet the guidelines. The guidelines no longer states 'cleaved.'
***Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book*** 

Amy in my opinion if you can see the spine at any time on any page(s) then the book is not postable.  If I am wrong then someone please step in and correct because I have been tossing a lot of books in the recycle bin because I can see the spine.

Date Posted: 2/15/2008 11:15 AM ET
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I'm confused about this as well. I recieved a book from here that I thought had a cleaved spine, but it doesn't look like those pictures at all, in fact the pages are all perfectly intact, the outer binding it the issue. I'll see if I can post a link and maybe someone could help me.



Last Edited on: 2/15/08 6:31 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 2/15/2008 11:21 AM ET
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I just sent feedback asking if we can have clarification on this issue.  I'll post back if/when I hear something!

Date Posted: 2/15/2008 11:28 AM ET
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Roberta, you have a hardback and that is acceptable what you have because the pages are attached to something else but that binding isn't always attached to the cover.  I see many books that look like that (hardbacks)

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