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Subject: no "conditions"...no recourse?
Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:27 PM ET
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this is a bit of a rant...but there is a real question in here:  i've always sorta rolled my eyes at the requests that come through with conditions about books from a non-smoking environment.  I accept all the requests

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:31 PM ET
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this is a bit of a rant...but there is a real question in here:  i've always sorta rolled my eyes at the requests that come through with conditions about books from a non-smoking environment.  I accept all the requests . . .

 

You obviously need "rant lessons!"  I'm available to tutor.  ;-) 



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Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:32 PM ET
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LOL Kris.  I'm tempted to speculate what the question was and try to answer it, but hopefully the o.p. will come back and finish their thought.

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:32 PM ET
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is your home a non-smoking environment?  some people have bad reactions to smoke and if they have it in their RC and you have a smoking household and send it, then you haven't met their conditions and they could ask for their credit back.

ETA: glad I'm not the only one that wondered if that wasn't finished!

 



Last Edited on: 2/26/08 5:33 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:33 PM ET
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because my books DON'T come from a smoking household.  I truly thought such requests and conditions were nit-picky.  But today i rec'd a book that absolutely REEKED when i opened the package.  Stale cigarette smoke!  I accepted it and didn't mark it RWP because i don't have those requesters conditions on my account...but now i sorta regret that decision.  I don't really want to put those conditions on every request because this has been my first problem like this...but is it ok to mark a book like this a problem and request my credit back in the future?  the book really stinks.

kiersten

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:35 PM ET
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sorry for the disjointed posting...my 2 year old loves to play with the keyboard!

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:36 PM ET
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I would say that you probably shouldn't mark it RWAP, since there isn't anything in the guidelines prohibitng books with a strong smoke smell. 

I had the same experience as you and almost added a "no smoky books" condition but decided against it.  In literally hundreds of transactions, I've only received a handful (maybe 5) books that smelled smoky, and only one of those was reeking like yours.  I haven't regretted my decision and I haven't received a book that smelled that badly since.

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:38 PM ET
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thanks! my instinct is to just chalk it up to a learning experience and not make a big stink (pun intended) about it this time...i've rec'd so many books and this is the first one thats been noticeably smelly. thanks for the input.

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:38 PM ET
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gotta love 2 year olds, they like the keyboard!

my understanding is if you don't have RC then you can't mark it RWP.  You can air it out (someone said baking soda and/or cat litter in a ziploc bag and put it out in the garage or on the back porch would air it out)



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Date Posted: 2/26/2008 5:41 PM ET
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sorry for the disjointed posting...my 2 year old loves to play with the keyboard!

 

Please thank your two year old for the best laugh I've had so far today.  :-) 

Subject: smoky books
Date Posted: 2/26/2008 8:06 PM ET
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I have receive exactly one book with a smokey smell.....more like a smoky REEK!  Nothing a week or so on my back parch didn't fix!

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 10:54 PM ET
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the book is sitting out on my back porch now...and hopefully it will smell better in a few days.  thanks for all the feedback.

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 10:56 PM ET
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I think you can mark a book RWP for any problem, official or not. BUT, I don't think you would get a credit back since there is no official rule they broke and you had no RCs to tell them you wanted anything above the basic site rules. I think that the smokers on the site are so fed up with those of with RCs that you might just get a cranky PM back.  You'd essentially be saying, I forgot to tell you I didn't want a smokey smelling book, but I didn't, so could you return my credit anyway? Which wouldn't be to fair to the person that would end up being out a book and a credit.

IMO - any book that smells of smoke, reeks, I've never smelled one that was just a little bit smokey smelling.

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 11:11 PM ET
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<<i've always sorta rolled my eyes at the requests that come through with conditions about books from a non-smoking environment>>

I'm sorry you had a negative experience, Kiersten.  I realize a lot of members think the "non-smoking" RC is nit-picky, but I have severe asthma and residual smoke odors/particulates really can trigger an asthma attack in me (and likely in others).  Most of us with that RC aren't "nose prudes" or anti-smokers, we're just trying to protect our health.  I hope that helps somewhat in terms of understanding.

You might try sealing your "stinky" book in a plastic container (i.e. Tupperware type) with some balls of newspaper crumpled up inside and leave it for a couple of weeks.  Change the newspaper as needed and see it it helps -- I use this technique to take the smell from Tupperware and other items, and it is certainly a safer choice than dryer sheets.  If it doesn't work, you can move on to stronger methods.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 2/26/2008 11:48 PM ET
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I think you can mark a book RWP for any problem, official or not.

This would be really unfair to the person who sent out the book.  They didn't break any rules, so I don't see why it should be marked RWP.  Even knowing that a single problem won't hurt them, I don't think it's right.  RWP should be reserved for those books that don't meet the site's standards.

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Date Posted: 2/27/2008 2:43 AM ET
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I strongly agree with Kari.  RWP means only that their book either did not meet the site conditions or your person RC (or both).  I have some dear friends who are smokers, and they love to read too!  :)  If you have allergie or asthma issues, by all means put on the RC; if not and it's too smelly for you then IMHO you should just repost it or pass it on locally.  It's not worth harrassing the people who smoke; they get enough of that in the current culture already.  Just my 2c, though I do sympathize with the original poster--I wouldn't keep a book that smelled strongly of smoke either.  But it's not *such* a big deal for me to RC it, personally.  :)

patti

Date Posted: 2/27/2008 11:26 AM ET
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I have to agree with the vote to not mark it RWP.  They sent out the book you requested and it met the PBS posting requirements. They shouldn't have the mark against them when you didn't have the non-smoking condition.  It would be like marking RWP for the cover picture not matching when this is allowable by PBS.  Unless your condition says "cover must match". 

Date Posted: 2/27/2008 11:29 AM ET
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I was just repeating what I read in a post recently by Sheri (? I think). R&Rs answer to someone who complained about getting a RWP mark against them for something not in the rules, a book club edition or something, was that people could mark RWP for any problem, official or not. Now if R&R were to look at those RWP for some reason, they would take the reason into consideration also. Maybe Sheri will wander in and clarify, but that was what I got to be the  jist of R&Rs response. Never claimed it was fair, IMHO it wouldn't be, but MHO doesn't mean a whole lot. It may be an information gathering thing for the site, if they get a lot of RWP on a particular unofficial problem, maybe they look at it to make it an official one.

I personally believe that anyone that cannot/does not want books that smell like smoke or been exposed to cats or dogs need to have RCs because almost every reader I know is a smoker or has a cat or dog sitting on their lap (or book) while reading.

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Date Posted: 2/27/2008 12:03 PM ET
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I don't think it would be fair of you to mark RWP.  The sender had no idea you would object to the smell, and if they are a heavy smoker, chances are they didn't even smell anything "off" about their book.  You never mentioned that a smoky reek would be a problem for you, so sender had no way of knowing you would care about it.  RWP should be marked only for books that are in violation of the rules and with no RC about smoky smells on your request, the sender violated no rules.