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Subject: Would you consider this water damage?
Date Posted: 8/20/2008 5:54 PM ET
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I got 2 books from a sender & the other was fine. But this on looks like it has water damage & it was NOT from shipping. I wanted some opinions before I marked it RWAP.

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 6:03 PM ET
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Erin--

It is really hard to tell from the photos.  Is there staining on the ends of the pages (the part you see when the book is closed)?  Any smell, wrinkling, etc?

The stuff on the title page almost looked symmetrical enough to be a design, but you can tell better on your end.  In any event, the other 2 images are not designs.  Even if it isn't water damage, "no stains" is in the rules, making it unpostable.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 6:07 PM ET
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It's definatly not designs. There's no visible staining on the outside of the pages but the stains on the inside are like 10 pages deep. While it doesn't directly affect the reading, it does look bad. I just don't want to give someone a bad mark if it's not against the rules.

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 6:14 PM ET
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It almost looks like a grease stain. Either way it was unpostable and should not have been listed.

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 6:17 PM ET
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Erin--

You don't have to determine the biological (eww!) nature of the stain to determine that it is stained.  Mark it RWP and request your credit be refunded.  As Margaret said, it is unpostable.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 6:27 PM ET
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It may not be liquid or water damage, but it is stained and the rules say no stains. Unless the book is published with it for some odd effect the book was obviously unpostable. I personly do not like grabbing ahold of something that I cannot determine the "biological nature" :) of myself so I would ask for the credit back on order to get a copy of the book I could read.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 8/20/2008 6:30 PM ET
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Ick.  It's not postable, whatever it is.

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 7:22 PM ET
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Ew. I would call it unpostable.

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 8:27 PM ET
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It doesn't look like water damage to me (unless it's still wet, which it isn't).  Looks more like oil or grease damage to me.  Pat

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 9:33 PM ET
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It's hard to tell. It may be black ink that's seeped from the cover? Is the cover black? Or even mold.

No matter what it is, it's unpostable. There shouldn't be any stains.

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 10:51 PM ET
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While I would never post a book like this, I would accept it.  PM the sender and let them know.  If I were the sender I would give you back your credit from the PM. 

Date Posted: 8/20/2008 11:06 PM ET
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Water?  It's hard to tell.  But stained?  beyond the shadow of a doubt, which makes it totally unpostable.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 8/21/2008 3:06 AM ET
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PM the sender and let them know.

No, don't.  Don't post the book - it's unpostable.  Posting it and then PMing the receiver only encourages people to post unpostable books.  As it is, we get enough unpostable books without people wantonly disregarding the rules.  Books like this are unpostable, period.

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 8:04 AM ET
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Due to internet issues I couldn't post my responce last night. After thinking about it a while, I came to the decision to mark it RWAP. I PM'd the sender & they have yet to respond. I hope they make it right so I can mark the problem resolved, but I guess it's entirely up to them.

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 8:08 AM ET
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L.  - I may be wrong here, but I think they meant to PM the person who sent  the book, telling them there is water damage.  I don't think the intention was to repost the book and pm the receiver.

Deb

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 8:13 AM ET
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I won't be reposting it so no worries there.

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 1:13 PM ET
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To me, I would PM the member telling them that they shouldn't have sent a book like that.  As long as you can still read the words, that's really what most people are looking for in a book.

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 1:38 PM ET
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Well, I'm a stickler for rules. If I had sent a member a book like that I'd expect them to mark it RWAP. Therefore, I don't expect to receive books like that. It's the first time I've ever marked a book RWAP & felt bad doing so.

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 2:10 PM ET
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As long as you can still read the words, that's really what most people are looking for in a book.

I don't think so. It think what most people are looking for is a book that meets PBS requirements. There are site rules, and for our $3.45 credit we have to trust that the book will at least meet the minimum standards. Which is more than "readable".

I don't mind books in worse shape, wear wise, if I know ahead of time that they're falling apart and the price has been adjusted. That's why I'm always careful on deals at other places to read the book condition and decide if the stated condition is worth the 'cheapness'. At a UBS, I can pick up and check the book out and decide. (And there are books there I wouldn't even take home for free, let alone pay $3.45 for.) But here, there's supposed to be a certain standard, and it's really frustrating to spend the credit and find that the sender didn't follow the rules.

Do things slip by? Sure. Happens to everyone. But I've gotten books that didn't 'slip' by. The liquid damage and tears, even where chunks of the cover were missing, had to be obvious. Either the sender didn't read the rules or just didn't care, it was that obvious. And yes, the more obvious the damage, the more flak I get when requesting a credit. And how I hate messing with a RWAP, but I know if I don't the sender will just keep sending them out, which isn't fair to the other members.

So, I expect more than to be able to 'just read the words'. I expect that the trust I put in someone to follow the rules is respected. I spent my money, I expect to get what I paid for. And as long as it meets PBS standards, I'll be completely happy!

 

Date Posted: 8/21/2008 4:05 PM ET
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What Cindy said.  It isn't just about being able to read the words, it is about books which meet PBS guidelines and being able to expect books that won't be stained, moldy, dog-chewedy, booger-containing, or otherwise damaged, even if you can see all the words :-)

Cheers,

Catt