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Subject: Is it considered a bump...
Date Posted: 4/20/2008 4:31 PM ET
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Is it considered a bump (at the book bazaar) when you post to acknowledge orders and to say your list has been updated to remove freebies? I've always done this in the past, and no one has ever commented on it.

Personally, I like when members running a special post to say they've updated their list, because it means I don't have to mentally keep track of what's really on their shelf and what's not. But with so much talk lately about "too many bumps" I wonder if it's considered a no-no?

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 4:57 PM ET
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I don't think so at all.  If someone is adding more information, then it's an update.  If it's a meaningless post and the sole purpose of it is to get the thread back up to the top, it's a bump.

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 6:09 PM ET
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This was recently discussed and I think the majority of the concensus was that the way the rules read, anything you post is considered a bump. Here is what the rules state:

(2) Members may "bump" their topics a maximum of once a day (bumping = posting a new post in a topic for the purpose of keeping the topic on the front page of the forum topic list). Adding a new post with new information is considered bumping.

Based on the last sentence, it appears to be that PBS feels any post you make to your topic is a bump.

ETA: I'm not saying it's right or wrong, is or isn't. I'm just showing you what the rules state.



Last Edited on: 4/20/08 6:09 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/20/2008 6:55 PM ET
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I've unknowingly broken the rules then.... let the flogging commence!  : )

I respond after people have requested books to let them know that they have been pulled and are ready to go.  I had no idea this would be seen as bumping, though technically, I guess it is. I've seen posts where peeps are leary of responding to deals if the OP doesn't keep up with and acknowledge the requests.

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 8:29 PM ET
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 You can both follow the rules & make it clear you're updating by editing your original post.

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 9:46 PM ET
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I think this is the thread your referrng to Sherry: http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=101293 Actually the general consensus was that a thanks or update directly after the order when the the thread is still on the front page is not a bump. If you come back two hours after the person ordering has posted in the thread and then update when your thread is miles down the list then its a bump.

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 11:37 PM ET
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Now I'm confuddled.  If you can't respond to peeps who requested your books while the thread is still on the front page, it's considered a bump and is frowned upon?

I'm sorry, that doesn't make much sense to me.  If I'm at work and the day goes all to hell, I may not be able to respond in a timely matter.  If it is after work hours and I'm attending to family stuff or just lazing about in the hammock on a nice summer Saturday, I still won't be able to respond in a timely fashion.  Hence, a bump by telling people that I got the request, pulled the 'freebie' book and they are both ready to be mailed  is a no-no  and I'm somehow  now promoting the deal and jumping ahead of the line?

Seriously, not trying to start anything... just trying to understand.  I'm not willing to ignore people who respond to the deal I offered, but  I also want to follow guidelines.

 

 

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 11:45 PM ET
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Well, when I ran a deal in the bazaar: I kept my post updated.  But I'll usually wait until it's moved down on the page and I've had a few responses.  I don't do the "bump" and nothing else posts. I  do one post for a couple responses, so people know I'm keeping an eye on it and removing the requested freebies. I know personally, I won't order books on a deal if I don't see the OP updating the thread.  If the thread is updated and orders are acknowledged than I know I  probably won't get pm's saying the freebies I want have been taken and that my order won't get ignored and passed on to FIFO. 

I think the main complaint is when someone bumps their deal thread every few hours or so and that's all that's on there.  No orders or updates, just bump, bump, bump to keep them on top.

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Date Posted: 4/20/2008 11:56 PM ET
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I also don't think the purpose of the restriction is to stop people from updating and editing their information, but to stop people from continually bumping their post to the top of the line.  I believe in this case in the spirit of the law, rather than the letter of the law, so to speak.

Date Posted: 4/21/2008 1:50 AM ET
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I would find it hard to follow the rule to the letter as well, as a matter of fact, I did just violate it, if you call anything you post in your topic a bump. Someone asked me a question and I answered. I'd already added info to bump it back from a week ago, so it really made a second hit for the same day.

I think the only time anyone should get excited is if you respond every time someone posts, like Mary said, if you are getting some good action and answer every single one, that could be considered bumping. But, if you wait for a couple responses and then answer, I don't see where anyone should get upset.

As Robin says, the "spirit of the law" and a little common sense goes a long way. If someone posts in your topic, I don't see any reason not to answer them, but you might wait an hour or so to see if anyone else responds so that you get two responses for the same hit. Just my opinion, as I've seen some topics that really get some good action. (Lucky people :)

And, I stand corrected, Chris, I misremembered the comments from the former topic on this issue, and wish I'd have stayed memory-ignorant of all the ugly remarks that were made in that topic.

Date Posted: 4/21/2008 6:18 AM ET
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I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that editing your original post (rather than adding a new reply) wasn't considered a 'bump' because it didn't move the topic back to the top of the screen.  Am I way off base?

Date Posted: 4/21/2008 7:19 AM ET
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i update all the time without bumpiing so people know i removed books you can update without bumping if some one places an order you go to the top thats not wrong...

Date Posted: 4/21/2008 11:34 AM ET
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No if your thread is already on the front page ie someone just ordered and posted and you go in there to update that isnt a bump. BUT if you got the order two hours ago and the thread is way down on the list going in to update then is a bump.

Date Posted: 4/23/2008 7:01 PM ET
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I don't think anyone cares as long as it isn't obvious bumping. If you respond to someone's order, or post an update, while your thread is still close to the top, it is obvious that you are not posting to move the thread back to the top. If you wait until the thread moves to the second page and do it, might look fishy, if you do that 5 times in a day, someone is going to call you on it.

If your intent is to move the thread back up, then you are breaking the rules. If you intent truly is to answer a question or let people know you've updated and that is obvious, no one is going to bother you. If you really were only concerned about updating the info, you could edit your original post.

Date Posted: 4/23/2008 8:28 PM ET
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Editing your original post is NOT a bump because it doesn't move where the post is.

I consider continual "got it, pulled it, got it" to be bumps.  The general opinion may be different, but they move the topic up the page. 

If you post in your original post you don't break the letter of the rule while still making it clear you are updating.