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Subject: Just curious about BDB readers' reaction **** Spoiler Alert ******
Date Posted: 4/27/2013 11:13 PM ET
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For regular readers of the Black Dagger Brotherhood series, just curious about your reaction to the latest book, Lover at Last.  How'd you like the romance between Qhuinn and Blay?  Was this your first time reading a man-on-man romance?  What did you think of the ending?

I have a good friend of mine, a guy, who I got started on the BDB series.  He's a few books behind since he's reading another series at present but he's said he's going to be catching up with the series soon.  I can't wait to get his reaction. 

 



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Date Posted: 4/28/2013 11:00 AM ET
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I loved the series up until this book.  The first 100 pages was so confusing - jumping from POV to POV - plot to plot - I gave up and ended the series on a high note with the last book.  I really wish I knew what happened with Xcor and Layla though.

Date Posted: 4/28/2013 11:01 AM ET
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I loved Lover At Last but I did have some issues with it. I loved it because I just cant get enough of Ward's writing. I love, love, love the Brothers and any chance I get to jump into their world is a huge excitement for me. That being said....

 

 

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I was upset that it took Ward SO LONG to finally have them together. And I mean together together, not just screwing. lol   I was upset that all of the sex scenes were quick and rough, angry sex.  Not once did we get to see them actually have sweet tender sex, which just because their men, doesn't mean that doesn't exist. Oh yeah and to answer that question....I read a lot of m/m romance. 

I was upset that we didn't get to see more of the other Brothers reactions to the first m/m coupling in the Brotherhood. I was upset that we didn't get to see more of the bonding scents between these two. Actually, the one scene where Phury has Quinn pinned to the wall and here comes the awful growling....I kind of wish that had been Blay stepping in and not Layla. 

I was upset that there were SO MANY other story lines, although yeah I get it, here recently this is a part of her writing style. I get that she has to throw new characters in the mix to continue the story arch and essentially continue the whole series. I just wish there weren't  SO MANY of them going on. If they were the BDB bits or Trez and iAM that's fine...for me anyway. I love them. I actually am really enjoying the Band of Bastards, Xcor especially. I'm dying now to find out how his and Layla's story is going to play out. I could have done without the Assail and Sola thing. For now anyway. I, along with tons of others, was looking forward to Lover At Last and their HEA for SO LONG and it just seems they got ripped off a bit.

Now for the ending. Is it the whole dancing thing your speaking of? Because as cheesy as it was I LOVED it!!!  LOL  I loved seeing Quinn step out of his comfort zone a bit to do something sweet for Blay.

I LOVED that we got to see Quinn finally become a Brother.

Date Posted: 4/28/2013 1:48 PM ET
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I haven't read this book yet, but reading Melissa's review, I am glad it is on my wishlist and not something I bought. It really is bothering me how many different plots are in one book and only one ever gets resolved. That being said, I do hope it gets posted to me =)

Date Posted: 4/28/2013 2:07 PM ET
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I'm also having a problem with Ward carrying too many story lines at once.  I also have a problem with Ward's sometimes over-the-top guy jive talk.  Sometimes I read a line and find myself thinking, WTH does that mean???  The biggest problem I have though is because it is a year or so between books and Ward writes her books like the next book is just the next chapter in a never ending book there are no memory joggers.  So I'm left digging through the gray matter asking myself, "What's that guy's story again???" 

I found myself puzzling throughout the book about Trez and iAm and what are Shadows again?  Or, how about Lassister?  I have totally forgotten how and when he appeared as a regular character.  I've forgotten how Phury became Primal and what the deal is with Rehvenge, etc.  More than any other of the BDB books I've read I think this one left the most loose threads at the end.  Trez and his legacy, Assail and his human fixation, Xcor and Layla, Saxon, Beth's baby longings, the Lessers seemed to have taken a back seat to drugs, clearly Xcor is at some point going to have to move from the dark side to the Brotherhood, and what's the deal with his deputy...it's all sooooo confusing. 

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As for Blay and Qhuinn's story, I enjoyed it well enough but I can't wait to hear the reaction from some of my older men friends who read the series.  Melissa, I thought there were a few tender loving scenes, usually after the first heat got blown off, though.  I just found it ironic that two men were going through the same angst and prevarication about hiding their feelings that I get so frustrated with women doing in romance novels.  You know, if you'd just tell him how you feel, dummy, we could finish this book in half as many pages!  Sherri, if it is any consolation, I also had a problem getting into this book but was really enjoying it once into it.

As for the ending, it wasn't the last scene that I was talking about, it was the last line of the book.    ...and they lived happily ever after.    Really?



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Date Posted: 4/30/2013 12:08 AM ET
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It drove me CRAZY that we're never told what a Shadow is. All that explanation of words which are exactly the same in English, but heaven forbid we get any useful information. And Lassiter was never introduced -- I was very puzzled about him too and it turns out he was invented on her message board and she just inserted him without explanation. angry

I was really looking forward to Quinn and Blay but this book pretty much killed the series for me. crying

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 12:31 AM ET
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Yeah, I was figuring the next story would focus on Trez and iAm but I understand their story (involving so far unknown female Shadows -- whatever they are) will be further down the pike.  The next book out is supposed to revisit Wrath and Beth's story and, I'd assume, her desire for a child and his desire not to father a child. 

I've posted before one of the things that really gives me the grrrrrrrrrs is when characters from the BDB series crossover into the Fallen Angels series, and vice versa. 

Willa, I haven't given up on the series yet but if the stories continues to be increasingly convoluted I may have to drop the series just because my brain can't absorb anymore.  I'm thinking it's time Ward wrap this series up before she alienates any more readers from any of her books. 

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 12:56 PM ET
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And the really annoying thing is, if this book doesn't do as well, a lot of people will assume it was because of the m/m thing.  When in fact it's mostly people who were rooting for Qhuay and are just pissed off at getting a lousy book for them.

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 4:45 PM ET
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rvagabond-that's really the last line? that's so anti-everything about the series that my brain froze. and now there's a character called iAm? wtf? I don't like the fallen angel series either so I don't get why they keep crossing into brotherhood. they're two seperate series for a reason. Willa-I've heard ppl complain before that Ward put characters and sometimes entire plots on her message board and then inserts them into her books and if you don't stalk the messageboard, you're lost so it's not just you and me =) I promised myself that this would be the last book of the brotherhood that I would read if it was as bad as her last 4 were. Did anyone read envy or rapture? i wanted to give them a try even though i couldnt finish covet and crave.Also, what happened to the Lessers?

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 6:10 PM ET
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Evelyn, that is, verbatim, the last line of the book.  Trez and iAm have been around for several books with, I think, a few appearances in some of the FA series.  I'm current on both the BDB and FA series and I found the last few FA books readable but not outstanding.  IIRC, I did Rapture as an audiobook so that added a bit of freshness to the series.  I still like Ward's books, but I am going into overload trying to juggle the tangled subplots to the point I may have to give up on her books.  If I find another series I like as well or better I'll jump shipcheeky

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 7:24 PM ET
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hey sent you a pm rjvag! that's the problem with these series, a lot of the time it drags on too long I'm starting to have that problem with salinghs' psych/changeling series there's one running plot and it dosen't seem to ever get any closer to being resolved

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 7:53 PM ET
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Got your PM and replied in kind.  smiley

I'd started Singh's Guild Hunter series and I'm thinking I'm done with it for the same reason as you and her Changling series (which I have not read), just seems never ending and to be honest, I've decided I just don't like her writing style, too many repitions of things I already know about her characters.  How many times do I have to be told that one of the Guild Hunters or the Angels has hang-ups about an deceased spouse, or a injustice done eons ago, etc, etc.  My memory ain't what it used to be but I only have to be told a couple times what motivates a character, not told - again - every few pages. 

I gave up a few books ago on the Stephanie Plumb series (Evanovich) because after umpteen books Ms Plumb was still making the same stupid mistakes in her job as she was making in the first book.  I just can't relate to anyone that damn dumb, muchless find it an amusing story.

I know there are a lot of critics of Nora Roberts' books but one thing I do like about her is she limits her books to 3 or 4 books in a series.  Except, of course, her Eve Dallas books, which I continue to enjoy for the snappy dialog alone. 

 

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 8:02 PM ET
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I would agree for some of Singh books, she can repeat herself. It reminds me of Christine Feehan at times, but I like Singh wayyyy more. we've been trying to figure out who the person is that's warning the psychs' about the silence for several books and that is starting to get old. Have you read jessica andersen? she had 8 books and wrapped up the series. and it was great! that's how authors should do it if they have overall story archs in the same universe, at least in my opinion/ They have so much money though I'm sure they don't care what I think =)

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 10:01 PM ET
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I have a question... when Wrath and Saxon are first discussing the possibility of changing the rules, I could've sworn there was a mention of 3 people he wanted to change them for. Did I imagine that? It was never addressed again.

Date Posted: 4/30/2013 10:48 PM ET
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Willa, I would assume it is Blay, Qhuinn (done) and John.  But, that's just a WAG.  Who knows what Ward will come up with?  I imagine some of the answers will be in the next book which will deal with Beth's pregnancy (I assume) and the rule of accession for a non-pure vampire.  Which, OBTW, I don't get.  Or, as I see it, a major failure of logic in Ward's stories.  How can Wrath be the only remaining "pure" vampire?  With the length of their lives (millennia) and the number of glymeria (aristocrats), the Chosen, the Scribe Virgin, and at least two of the main characters being children of the Scribe Virgin, it just doesn't compute in my mind. 

Date Posted: 5/1/2013 1:20 PM ET
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That's what I thought at first, but then wondered why they would need any rules changed for them? But I never have fully understand the brother's blood line stuff, especially when you factor in the Primale... apparently they're all supposed to have the same father even though they're not really brothers? The world building baffles me.

Date Posted: 5/2/2013 11:45 PM ET
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How can Wrath be the only remaining "pure" vampire?

In my understanding, he's not.  He's just the ruling bloodline.  Since he has no other direct relatives, there would be a problem without an heir.  Of course, since Beth is a half-breed, there's a problem anyway.

The Brotherhood do not all have the same father.  Only 2 of the brothers are brothers, and one brother has a sister (Payne).  I think that's right.  Butch is of Wrath's line, but is not directly related, so would not be in line for the kingship.  All the rest are not related.

I'm like Melissa above.  I think the sex scenes were not done that well--again from a reader of m/m, I was not pleased.  I also hated that she made them wait so long until they got together, and that wedding/commitment ceremony thing at the end seemed too neat--I didn't like it.  There was not enough emotional development, and not enough sex scenes in a series that has always had hot sex scenes.

I will still continue to read the series, but this was not my favorite book by a long shot.  I was so looking forward to a mainstream author doing a gay storyline, but I think she dropped the ball on this.

 

Date Posted: 5/3/2013 2:04 AM ET
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Right, so where does the primale come into it? Where did all the Brothers come from to begin with?

Date Posted: 5/3/2013 12:23 PM ET
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Ward was very specific in this book, and in previous books, that Wrath is the last "pure" vampire.  It was part of the reason that Xcor uses to promote his overturn of Wrath, that he's married to Beth, who is half human.  This is taken from Ward's website:  "Wrath: the last purebred vampire on the planet and the vampire race's king." 

This book also talked about what the requirements were to be a member of the brotherhood in this latest book.  Apparently, before Saxton worked his legal magic to "tweak" the rules, the Brotherhood was a generational thing and were born into that class and Qhuinn was the first to be inducted into the Brotherhood who was not of the blood line.  Of course, then there's the whole deal with Butch, how'd he become one?  As I said, it's all so confusing. 

Date Posted: 5/3/2013 5:52 PM ET
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Ward was very specific in this book, and in previous books, that Wrath is the last "pure" vampire.  It was part of the reason that Xcor uses to promote his overturn of Wrath, that he's married to Beth, who is half human.  This is taken from Ward's website:  "Wrath: the last purebred vampire on the planet and the vampire race's king." 

I'm thinking pure is relative, honestly.

Of course, then there's the whole deal with Butch, how'd he become one?

Butch was found, like Beth, to be part vampire.  His vampire blood was of Wrath's line, so apparently qualified as being "good enough" since he was of a warrior line.  But, yes, that seemed a little too convenient to me as well.

Subject: slightly off topic-'fallen angels-rapture'
Date Posted: 5/19/2013 1:22 PM ET
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hi all i know this is suppossed to be about bdb-but I just started reading rapture. I am on page 10 and I am already sick of reading her descriptions-the heroine wants 'to be Diana Sawyer without hairspray'. i get that she wants her books to be current, but when she constantly bring up references from the present, your book starts to sound dated, and i start thinking about those references in culture as oppossed to the characters in her book. ok rant over

Date Posted: 5/21/2013 10:59 PM ET
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Yeah, I had the same reaction when in one of her books she made a reference to the Kardashians.  I almost tossed the book out the window.  Only held back because it was a library book.  Ugh.  As if we don't get enough of that clan to make us upchuck on a regular basis they have to slip into our fiction?!?!?!?!?

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Date Posted: 5/22/2013 6:51 PM ET
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oops for some reason my answer didn't go through. Really the Kardashians? honestly one reference to something in real life wouldn't bother me, but every other page? Also rjvag i sent you a friend request