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Subject: Curious about "deals" posted on forums other than Bazar
Date Posted: 5/24/2008 9:30 AM ET
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Do the monitors have the wherewithal to move "deals" from genre/discussion forums? It seems to me that if the Bazar is where these threads should be, that's where they belong and I'm wondering why more of them aren't moved.
Date Posted: 5/24/2008 9:33 AM ET
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I don't think the programming on this site allows a thread to be "moved".

Subject: I had one up
Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:06 AM ET
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I had one up in the Children's area just becasue I thought people interested in Children's books would see it and make it easier for them rather than getting lost in bazaar.  But, I have had two people comment on it - wheter it was directed at me or not, I don't know. 

So, I'm sorry if I offended anyone.  I isn't against PBS rules to provide those that might want some info on books of their interest in the discussion forum devoted to that use.  Those that do not find the information useful can ignore the information just like they would any other thread that doesn't interest them, right?

If its that much of an issue, I'll edit them off.

 

 

 

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:09 AM ET
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From the help center:

Topics advertising your bookshelf should NOT be started in any forum but the Book Bazaar. Keeping "deals" and the like confined to the Book Bazaar not only unclutters the other forums, but also allows members who post deals to be sure that their deal is seen, and members who seek deals to find them. We have created enough forums to allow a place for anything our members might like to discuss.

 

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:12 AM ET
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I stand corrected

I will edit appropriately

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:23 AM ET
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What about deals in signatures?  I guess that wouldn't actually be starting a "topic" as such.  I know lots of us have done this and it doesn't really interfere with the particular thread.

 

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:36 AM ET
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I'm not addressing this to anyone in particular! I have just made an observation and I was curious about it. Since I've been a member (not long), I've noticed more and more "deal" threads on forums other than Bazaar so I was curious.
Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:54 AM ET
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I think the reason people have started posting them in the particular genre thread is because the Bazaar is so incredibly out of control.  If I want a Christian Fiction I'd rather go look in the Christian Book thread than to try and wade through the Bazaar.

Personally I read the above quote from the help center to mean advertising a 2 for 1, 3 for 1 etc deals that involves your bookshelf, not a situation where you have an unpostable book that people want and you say "Hey I have such and such book you can have it free if you order something from my shelf."

Just my opinion

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 12:08 PM ET
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That's where I was coming from Princess.

I don't really do "deals" much on my shelf - I don't have a huge shelf that would make that realistic.  Every so often I do have unpostables that I think others would enjoy..... I didn't think what I was offering was a deal like the "4 for 1, 2 for 1 things you often see in bazaars.... but ahhh to each his own. 

I have apparently offended people in the children's thread and perhaps some others, and I'm a lover not a fighter as they say.  If PBS has any kind of rule about "deals" being only in Bazaar I supposse rather than have a symantic discussion about what qualifies as a deal, I'd rather just take my unpostables and hang them out in the bazaar, and if noone wants them, I"ll give them to the little girl down the street. 

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 12:20 PM ET
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I think for me, and in previous threads about this I think others have said, the problem is that book discussions get buried under the deal threads. I want to go to, say, the mystery forum to talk about the latest Charles Todd mystery, or perhaps announce that I scored a signed Agatha Christie at an estate sale, or to answer a question someone has posted about whether it's a good idea to start the Grafton alphabet series with L, and discussion threads are buried under deal threads. It's very annoying.

I understand that people think it's a nice thing to offer, I know the motives are good, but it is very annoying to have to pick through deals and unpostable offers to find substantive conversation, many people simply don't have the time or patience for it, and it's part of what is dragging some of the genre forums down.  

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Date Posted: 5/24/2008 12:56 PM ET
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I understand.  I have not freqented the genre areas as much as the hidden gems, questions, and such.  Perhaps if I was a "regular" I would appreciate more the perspective of those that are "regulars".  Thanks for sharing your prerspectives with me!

 

And as far as deals in signatures.... if my opinon counts (keeping in mind, from the one who didn't think posting elsewhere than the bazaar was a problem)  I don't see how it is an issue considering you aren't littering up topic lines in forums etc with your offers.  But, then again, that's just me

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 1:02 PM ET
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LIke Les, I hate to see the genre forums cluttered with deals, but I'm of two minds on the subject.

There are times when I'm looking for a particular book or series, but not actively looking in the bazaar because it's just so time consuming to wade through all the deals looking for a particular thing.  If it were to pop up on a genre forum where I'm going anyway, I'd snap oit up right then, as opposed to waiting a few weeks until I have the time and inclination to wade through the bazaar on the off chance someone has a deal on it.

I think it's been suggested that members offering deals in the bazaar include genre's, etc. in the title of the thread, which would help.

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 1:16 PM ET
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We have dealt with this issue in the Love and Romance forum by creating a thread that is specifically for posting deals and advertising bookshelves.  It is not a stickied thread, but it manages to stay on the  first page most of the time, and everyone tries to keep it bumped up there so that newcomers know where to post their deals.  It has saved a lot of clutter on the board, and has been generally well-received.  If you are regularly frequent a specific forum, why not create a thread like this?  You are probably not the only one who would like to post deals or shelf advertisements.

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 1:20 PM ET
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A compromise that has been put forward is to have a megaphoned sticky at the top of each genre forum where people can look for or post deals and unpostables. That would work, having it in the genre forums for those who want a certain type of book, but not getting in the way of the book discussions. I mean, jeepers, they're even in Hidden Gems now, which I thought was the last refuge.

I have no objection to whatever may show up in the sig section myself - I have the sigs and blinkies turned off. :-)

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 1:52 PM ET
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I haven't seen an official word on it in some time, but deals offered in sig. lines have been OK by TPTB in the past.  As someone else said, you aren't cluttering another forum and blinkies can be turned off.

I like the idea of a red thread at the top of each genre forum, although that does mean that TPTB have to clean them out occassionally....that would probably be a deterant from there end. ;-)

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 2:06 PM ET
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How do you turn the "blinkies" off?  I don't mind some, but some of those things almost give me a migraine!

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 2:39 PM ET
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Go to your account and settings.  Lots of options there including turning off signature lines which is where the blinkies are located.

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 3:32 PM ET
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I think a permanent "stickie" thread at the top of each forum would be a great way to deal with the issue. People looking for, say, "Mystery" deals could go to the obvious forum but the rest of the board would be uncluttered.
Date Posted: 5/24/2008 4:02 PM ET
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The only downside to the Sticky Thread is that eventually it'll get really long w/a lot of outdated deals and people who aren't even members anymore.  So if they could do it in a way where they could clean up the posts-automatically remove them after a year or something. 

I had good luck just with posting deals and freebies in my signature.  When I first joined I had a lot of common romances and mysteries.  I just put 2 for 1 or whatever in my signature and got a lot of orders just from that.  I built up my credit stash and got rid of some books that might have sat for a long time.  Everytime I have a WL unpostable to offer-I put it in my siggy and it's snapped up quick.  Well that worked when my shelf was off hold. 

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 6:00 PM ET
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I think that is a great compromise as well, having a thread inside the genre sections, but are there moderators/organizers/volunteers that head up those threads to begin with?  Who would be the one or the group that would decide, "Sure, that sounds like a good idea, lets put it up" or "no that doesn't sound like a good idea let's pass on that"

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 6:09 PM ET
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The different forums were created so that the discussion forums didnt get bogged down. The games belong in games because it was created especially for games. Deals belong in the BB because it was created especially for the deals.

On any given day there can be hundreds of deals going true but its the requestors responsibility to find the deals you want not the senders to bring the deal to you.

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 6:54 PM ET
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Kimberly, no mods here. If you want to start a thread that gets ... interesting ... suggest having forum mods (and stand back). <grin> I'm more accustomed to moderated forums, too, but they like for us to mod ourselves here, and mostly it works fine. Mostly.

Everything goes through the site owners, and you can send them an email with any comments or suggestions by the Contact Us in blue at the very bottom of the page. I can personally attest that not only do they read every one of them, they read them on weekends, and someone once responded to one of mine at 2:00 a.m. They also read a lot of the forum posts.

They don't always agree with things we suggest, for a variety of reasons, but OTOH, they do listen and respond, and many suggestions are implemented in time.

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 7:35 PM ET
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I have conversed with PBS about this issue.  They do intend to get a red stickied thread in the various genre forums for deals eventually.  They have also considered a moderator for each genre forums but don't plan to implement that anytime soon.

If you're running into a problem with it in a forum you visit, a gentle reminder is always good.  As has been mentioned, in the Love & Romance forum we keep one thread for deals and that has certainly helped with the clutter of deal posts that would push the discussions down the page.

Date Posted: 5/24/2008 10:04 PM ET
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Thanks all - lots of helpful info.  I'm really glad that I started frequenting the forums more regularly in general.  I was interested in becoming more involved in PBS and was always doing data updates which is how I ended up on the Image and Data Teams, and I had considered becoming a tour guide, but in the end decided to wait because Ifelt I needed to have a bit more time on my own learning about things.

Its in threads such as this that I realize not just how much there is to learn about, but how much of it you can really pick up "through the grapevine" -  in a pinch, usually all you have to do is ask here and there's plenty of people willing to help out! =)

So thanks all!