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Subject: curious about postability
Date Posted: 2/14/2012 2:40 PM ET
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I just noticed in another thread here that someone mentioned that a non-text page can be removed from a book. Is that true? I thought that any missing pages make a book unpostable. I purchased a hardcover at Goodwill yesterday that had the first blank white page torn out (I am guessing it had a personal inscription that the owner wanted to keep) and I had automatically considered this book unpostable. Because books are so cheap there, i sometimes buy them and pass them on to friends/family when I'm done if they don't meet guidelines here. Anyways, what do you think so that I know this for future reference? Would a book in this condition be postable or unpostable?

Thanks!

Erin

Date Posted: 2/14/2012 2:51 PM ET
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As long as it is just the fly leaf (which is usually that blank extra page ppl write on), yes it is postable.    I'd just make sure it has been neatly removed not tore like a 2yo grabbed it :)

Date Posted: 2/14/2012 3:16 PM ET
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The PBS rule says "no missing text pages" NOT "no missing pages"

So, yes, non-text pages may be missing. That typically includes things like the book review pages at the front of the book, obviously blank pages, and the publisher pages about upcoming books.

Some people consider non -text pages to mean non-story pages, and in that interpretation, you could even be missing pages like the title page/copyright page, etc.

Date Posted: 2/15/2012 9:32 AM ET
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Interesting! Thanks so much for clarifying that for me! :)

Date Posted: 2/15/2012 11:40 AM ET
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Erin, if the page in torn out, you might want to cleanly cut any remaining part of the page out. The rules say "no missing text pages", but when it comes to no torn pages it makes no distinction on text, it just says "no torn pages" and many members would RWAP a book showing a page had been torn from it.

Be careful about interpretation of the rules in the forums, there are differing opinions and unless you get one from the Team it doesn't really help you in a RWAP situation.  I would not go as far a saying a book can be missing a copyright page. If the page that held the ISBN (a requirement to posting the book) was missing I would RWAP the book. .



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Date Posted: 2/15/2012 11:58 AM ET
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I have sent and received many books with missing flyleafs without any RWAPs and I agree that you should make sure it is a neat cut not roughly torn out.

Date Posted: 3/21/2012 11:53 AM ET
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I, as a receiver would have no issue with the book, but as a sender you have to be VERY careful because most PBS members will mark RWAP at the drop of a hat.  You can try cleanly cutting out the remainder of the page, but make sure you PM the receiver so you can explain the situation and won't get hit with a RWAP even though it falls under acceptable conditions.

Date Posted: 3/21/2012 12:29 PM ET
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I had a very popular children's book given to me with the first blank page cleanly removed for what I think was for the reason you suggested.  Because there were no other copies listed, I listed it but I did PM the requester and it was fine with her but she stated she was glad I told her about it.

Date Posted: 3/21/2012 12:36 PM ET
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 but as a sender you have to be VERY careful because most PBS members will mark RWAP at the drop of a hat.

I do not find that to be true. I mail postable books, and out of more than 1000 mailed, I've had 2 RWAPs ... one was something I missed, and I suspect the second one was made up (but there is a tiny tiny chance that it was something I missed.)  But the more than 998 other transactions were just OK.

And although I do have many "very good" and even "like-new" condition books that I send, I have others that are "postable", meaning quite definitely used. I've never had an issue with either kind of book.

Date Posted: 3/21/2012 2:25 PM ET
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 but as a sender you have to be VERY careful because most PBS members will mark RWAP at the drop of a hat.

My experience is similar to Melanie's -- I think I've mailed out two books out of over four hundred that were marked RWAP.  One was definitely my fault, and the other may have been, and I've mailed out books in all ranges of condition, as long as they were postable.