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Subject: Just curious about all the WL threads.....
Date Posted: 5/7/2010 8:35 PM ET
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I'm not trying to start a huge debate, and I have tried to look up to see if this question has been answered elsewhere, and if it has, I'll be happy to remove this post so as not to cause a huge uproar.

That being said....

What is up with these "Is this on your wishlist" threads I see in some of the other forums?  I'll admit that I have taken advantage of them, MANY times, but I saw today where another member mentioned that this has been a very slow month for getting wishlisted books--by half, compared to April of previous years going back all the way to 2006.  It got me to thinking that these threads don't seem fair and seem to bypass the wishlist lines. 

I'm not referring to the WL Multiples thread in the BB--that one makes sense to me, and I see where it was given "official TPTB" approval.  I'm talking about the threads on at least 3 forums (that I "watch") where members are posting books that are wishlisted and sending them out on a "first one to ask gets it" basis.  I understand that we can all send our books to anyone we want to, but it also seems that posting books into the system should be the norm and we've gotten away from that.  It would be so much easier for everyone, imo, for us all to keep these postings in the WL Multiples thread for the sole reasoning of saving money on postage, and otherwise post wishlist book to the wishlisters.

Date Posted: 5/7/2010 8:46 PM ET
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Kim - Those threads are approved by the PBS Team. Also note that a only small percentage of PBS members actually participate in the forums - and post books in those threads - so you cannot say that the WL is 'slow' because people are posting directly to somebody's WL instead of FIFO. Some books are just not posted as often, maybe we haven't gotten as many new members lately to post WL books,etc. It could even be the way players manage their WL. Myself, I have like 50 books on hold because I usually don't delete books from my WL once I decide to get them (I just put them on hold once I'm getting close to #1) so the WL for me is definitely not slow.

ETA: A lot of books are swapped in PBS that are not posted FIFO. For instance, I get most of my WL books in the Games forum, where I host and play tons of games.



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Date Posted: 5/7/2010 8:54 PM ET
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Like D.G., I think the people who participate in the forums is such a tiny fraction of the membership that WL books going to someone else that it's really not a big worry for me.

I don't think you can find a 'norm' from forum members. The are over 88,000 public profiles, which don't count those without, and over 24,500 members logged in just today. I don't think they're all out there posting WL books to each other.

We're just a small fraction that comes here.

Date Posted: 5/7/2010 9:00 PM ET
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Wow...I am speechless at that number, I had no idea we had that many members now!  Seriously, almost 25000 people logged in today alone?  That is mind boggling......

OK, that makes sense and I feel better now.  I guess you could say I was having guilt by having discovered these threads.....  They have paid off big time for me ;P

And personally, my wishlist never moves bc like 75% of the books have not been published yet.

Date Posted: 5/7/2010 9:56 PM ET
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Also if you look, at least in the Love/Romance forum most of the people who post in that thread are looking for people to send multiples to as well to save on postage.  And any member is free to take the time to look into the forums and all the features of PBS.  If they choose not than that's what they choose.  Those threads are just one of the benefits of investigating the whole site beyone just book trading. Many of us are on tight postage budgets and sending out book in multiples to people helps us be able to send more books out. Which helps everyone on those WL lines to move up. Better to have those books being offered in multiples in the forums than having them collect dust on someone's shelves because they have a tight postage budget.  And frequently when I offer books in there, I get responses from non-forum regulars-people who don't post but apparently come on and read the forums somewhat. 

Date Posted: 5/7/2010 10:02 PM ET
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And personally, my wishlist never moves bc like 75% of the books have not been published yet.

Same here. And I'll probably buy most of those when they come out. But it's handy to keep track of them on the WL.

And if you want to keep track of the numbers PBS does provide, (and see which ones they don't) they're found at the "Pulse of Paperback Swap".

http://www.paperbackswap.com/pulse/index.php

Date Posted: 5/7/2010 10:44 PM ET
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I don't think anyone really knows how many active PBS members there are.  We have to let books time out and books gp "lost" multiple times so that PBS knows when to look  at possible abandoned accounts.  Many more people do not put up public profiles than do.  Most do not participate in the forums, but I think more than we think do read them and never post.

Almost all my books get posted to FIFO.  They sit and sit.  Of course those are the ones that aren't WL'd.  The bulk of what I post are WL'd ones and never see the light of day - they always go to requesters.

Ruth

ETA - all but the last 2 WL books got taken.  The WL dried up when I posted them!  LOL!!



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Date Posted: 5/7/2010 11:01 PM ET
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I don't really think that taking advantage of the "Is this on Your WL" threads makes the lines move slower. If anything it should speed them up since those books are still getting posted, just not to FIFO, thus removing someone from the WL.

I recently offered WL books in the genre specific forum and asked for orders of 2 or more. If I had not been able to do that, I probably would have only posted one or two into FIFO. This way I was able to send out a lot more for around the same price as listing just a few. So that should make those particular WL lines move up for some people.

It also allows me enough credits to order some books from my Reminder List which should get someone else's shelves moving and get them credits. If anything, I think those threads actually benefit the site. And who knows, maybe those books I sent in multiples will end up in FIFO again instead of directly posted to someone's shelf.

Date Posted: 5/7/2010 11:47 PM ET
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Ok, here's my question on this subject (not really looking for an answer...just sort of "thinking out loud" ;-).  If the thread in the Bazaar is the "officially sanctioned" Multiple WL thread, why is sending multiples, or "bundling", allowed in the Genre forums?  I absolutely understand that TPTB know about the genre threads, but the mulitples aspect is a bit questionable if the Bazaar thread is supposed to be the "official" thread.  

While I agree only a small percentage of people read the forums and it doesn't affect all that many books, I think better guidelines would be nice. 

Anyway, just food for thought!

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Date Posted: 5/8/2010 1:05 AM ET
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if you can offer 10/2 or 15/3 or whatever in the BB

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Date Posted: 5/8/2010 1:36 AM ET
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I've never used those threads but I'm seriously thinking about it/  I've had one WL book that I posted and actually had it time out twice.  The second time it was no longer a WL book.  If I would have used the "Is This on Your WL" it probably would have been snapped up by someone who wanted the book.

I'm crabby about the situation. 

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 2:47 AM ET
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Sometimes it just depends on a members needs and what's going on in your life.  Some members don't get to the post office often, and want to send immediately rather than wait days or weeks for WL books to be accepted and/or roll over to new wishers...so posting on an active thread can speed up the process and minimize the number of PO trips.

I post alot of WL books, often FIFO.  Right now I have a batch to go...but super busy for the next month.  In the past, I've tried to offer a few then add additional books from members wishlists to make up orders of 2 or 3 to save on shipping.  This was time consuming, and in the end futile.  Several members declined for lack of interest and/or credits, while others rolled over to different members and seperated the bundled books.  So frustrating, I'll not bother doing that again.  When time allows, I will post in WL threads and ask for multiples where possible.  When posting 20 or 30 books, the postage savings is significant (wrapping time too).

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 4:32 AM ET
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I really like being able to ask for folks to have the WL books on auto request.  I like being able to schedule my trips to the post office.  When I post WL books FIFO, one or two always lag behind the others.  Making more trips.   Fine on weeks when I have the time. 

That said, I only use those threads when I'm posting a bunch.  For just one or two, I'll go FIFO.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 8:02 AM ET
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I think the only real differences between the one in the BB and the ones in the genre threads is that: the BB is a lot more active since there are people who come on and only use the BB and it's not genre specific.  Yes in the genre threads you get books offered that arent necessarily that genre but for the most part they are.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 8:44 AM ET
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The genre threads have also been around longer than the multiples thread in the Book Bazaar.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 9:10 AM ET
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If the thread in the Bazaar is the "officially sanctioned" Multiple WL thread, why is sending multiples, or "bundling", allowed in the Genre forums?  I absolutely understand that TPTB know about the genre threads, but the mulitples aspect is a bit questionable if the Bazaar thread is supposed to be the "official" thread.

Beth, I know you aren't looking for a specific answer, but...  I'm not sure anyone knows tptb's thinking on that one, but from my own observation in the L&R forum, the multiples aspect didn't frequently come into play until the WL thread there had been in place for a while.  It was initially an issue with frequent rollovers in FIFO, and people complaining that they were sitting for weeks at a time on WL books that a large portion of the people who use the L&R forum were wishing for.  It's a somewhat closely-knit group - or it was at the time - and the WL thread seemed like a good solution to a common problem.  Practically everyone was buying different books new & had heavily wished for titles, but as Geri stated above, you get a little crabby when you have a wished for book & it keeps rolling over until it's no longer on anyone's WL.  Add to that, that in a group who is mostly reading the same genre & does a lot of book discussion, it's easier to keep track of who reads what & what books they're going to be interested in getting.  If you offer it there, it's pretty much a given that you'll have it mailed out within a couple of days.  And a lot of people are like me in that when they buy a book new & decide not to keep it, it seems like the faster you can get rid of it & get a credit to order something else you will (hopefully) like more, the better:P  There are times when I just outright offer books to someone on my buddy list (which is mostly made up of ladies from the L&R forum), rather than posting them on the thread, because I know without looking at their WLs that they will most likely want that book.  One of the other positives to it is that it gets books into the system that might not have otherwise been posted.  I have let go of a lot of rare & hard to find books from my own personal collection, that I might have kept or eventually sold, just because the closeness of that little forum community kind of makes you want to do that - basically share the books you had a hard time finding yourself with others who are having the same problem.  Not all of the genre related forums are like that one, and the multiples aspect is more or less important in different places, and with different people.  Some people will post up to 20 or more WL titles at once, and obviously they have the best chance of sending the most of them to one address - & saving a lot in postage in the process - if they are posted where there is a lot of activity & the highest concentration of active members who will be interested in them.  Just my take on it anyway...

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 12:05 PM ET
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Same here. And I'll probably buy most of those when they come out. But it's handy to keep track of them on the WL.

Have any of you looked into your local library to see if you can reserve books that haven't been published yet?  That's how I get most of the books I put on my wish list.  I have such a great library that if they don't have the book "on order", I can request they buy it.  They always seem to do it.  Maybe I just have the greatest library around.  The other thing they have that I love is their "inter-library loan" system.  If a book is more than a year old, and my library doesnt have it, I can request they obtain a copy through inter-library loans. 

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 1:08 PM ET
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If the thread in the Bazaar is the "officially sanctioned" Multiple WL thread, why is sending multiples, or "bundling", allowed in the Genre forums?  I absolutely understand that TPTB know about the genre threads, but the mulitples aspect is a bit questionable if the Bazaar thread is supposed to be the "official" thread. 

I'm guessing that the idea of the "sanction" is to keep other threads from springing up and crowding the book bazaar.

Also... though this is really just my impression... it seems to me that many people who use the BB are a lot more stuck on strict rules than the actual people who run the site. Consider, for example, the recent "ruling" that it's fine to ask a credit for an ARC or non-postable book as long as you don't post them, a concept that was practically heresy to some.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 1:30 PM ET
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If the thread in the Bazaar is the "officially sanctioned" Multiple WL thread, why is sending multiples, or "bundling", allowed in the Genre forums?

I don't think term, "offically sanctioned' means that there's only one allowed thread or way to do thing. Just that TPTB say it's okay to do what they're doing, just like the other ways to trade WL books are 'sanctioned' when TPTB says that how they're doing it is okay.

Have any of you looked into your local library to see if you can reserve books that haven't been published yet?  That's how I get most of the books I put on my wish list.

I don't use my public library much anymore. My TBR pile is too big, they don't tend to keep the early books in a series and I like to read books in order, and I'm not good about reading anything within a specific period of time. I don't like reading something I'm not in the mood for because I have to take it back soon. Most of my WL I fully intend to keep if they're good. And I'm always hoping they're good.

Now, I might get into borrowing ebooks, but my local library only lend audio books over the interenet, and the ebooks they point you to are old reference books or books you can get for free. I'm trying to find someplace I can borrow recent ebooks with a membership. But my library here just isn't offering anything worth me getting into.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 1:35 PM ET
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One thing I noticed with the "Is This On Your Wislist" topics in the genre forums is that it's a place for people to get rid of ARCs that they don't necessarily want to post in the BB. 

Just a thought.  :)

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Date Posted: 5/8/2010 2:16 PM ET
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i much prefer the genre thread to the BB thread because I only see books in genres that I am interested in.  I follow the genre, but never look at the BB one.  On the sending side, I only use it for multiples cause I think if you are only sending 1 book, it should go to the first person in line (but that is just me, others don't have to do that).  There was some discussion on one of the genre thread about who should get the book if offered, some thinking the 1st person to pm some thinking the one who wants the most.  It was suggested that you should just say what you wanted when you post your book, so many people will say they are looking for the the one wanting the most from the list or the first to pm etc.  I think that discussion is probably what started folks giving instructions on how they decide who they will send to.

Now from the reciever side of the wishlist.  I just hate it when I have been #1 on the wishlist and I see a book posted that didn't go to me.  Well maybe not hate, more like"oh, man"



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Date Posted: 5/8/2010 6:13 PM ET
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i much prefer the genre thread to the BB thread because I only see books in genres that I am interested in.  I follow the genre, but never look at the BB one.

This is what I do as well. I rarely look at the BB multiples WL thread, but regularly check out the WL threads in the particular genres I have interest in. That way I know they're more than likely to have something I want instead of having to read through a ton of lists of books I have no interest in.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 6:58 PM ET
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If the thread in the Bazaar is the "officially sanctioned" Multiple WL thread, why is sending multiples, or "bundling", allowed in the Genre forums? 

The WL threads came waaay before the thread in the Bazaar. They are all officially sanctioned by the Team and I don't see them wanting to close those ones in the genre forums just because there's one in the BB.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 8:43 PM ET
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The way I interpreted it is.  In the BB, this is the only officialy sanctioned thread for posting wishlist books and only for the purpose of saving postage. Before this thread it was a no no to post any postable wish list books in the bazaar.

Date Posted: 5/8/2010 10:47 PM ET
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I don't know that PBS actually "officially sanctioned" anything.  There was a clarification posted in the newswire about ARCs and the Arc sticky went up in the BB.  There are no stickied WL threads anywhere - which I would expect to see for anything officially sanctioned by the PBS team.  They gave permission for there to be a WL "multiples"  thread in the BB, and at that time, there were already WL threads in several of the genre related forums, which they were apparently aware of and raised no objections to.  I personally don't take that to mean that they never will.  They could decide at some point to shut all of them down, which is why I try to be careful about exactly what kind of offers I make on the L&R thread.  I never take anything for granted.



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