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Subject: Date Mailed Pet Peeve - amended
Date Posted: 1/22/2009 9:52 PM ET
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Yep, I deleted all my responses because you don't care what I think or feel...I made the mistake of thinking someone might!  I'm still entitled to my opinions and I still think that marking a book mailed before you actually mail it is not allowed for in the rules....if you start bending one rule what is to stop you from bending another.  There are three reasons that are allowed for marking and then mailing...three reasons only.

I appreciate those that expressed their opinions without ensinuating that mine where stupid, unreasonable, that I was uptight, and that I needed to lighten up, etc etc.  Nope I don't dwell on mailing dates all the time but obviously those folks that think I do didn't take the time to read any of my responses.



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Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:00 PM ET
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They may have had the package ready to mail when they printed out the label.  They might have printed and headed out the door.  We are allowed to mark it mailed a few hours before actually mailing I believe.

From the help center:

A book must be mailed within 48 hours of marking it mailed

  • It is okay to mark your book mailed before you have mailed it if:

    • The deadline date falls on a postal holiday
    • Your computer/Internet access is unreliable
    • You plan to mail the book on your way out of town



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Subject: Well it could be
Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:12 PM ET
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In my case, I literally print the label up at work (I've already packaged it at home) - tape the label on and drop it off with the mailroom - the office right next to mine. One minute or less, easy. So, it is possible. Is it likely? Can't say. But the postmarks should give you the idea of if it was mailed that day (and that's all I'd really care about - if they mark it mailed, then I expect they have it in the mailbox that day - the time is mostly going to be irrelevant anyway.)
Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:14 PM ET
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Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:21 PM ET
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I mark my stuff mailed all the time before I've actually dropped it in the mailbox.  If I'm leaving the house to mail it, my computer is turned off.  I don't wanna have to worry about turning the computer on first thing when I get home to mark it mailed so I mark it before I shut down.  I may not turn the computer on for hours after I get home and I hate the reminder emails.

Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:31 PM ET
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Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:33 PM ET
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I put a book in my mailbox, put the flag up and marked it mailed. Don't you know it was one of those odd days where I didn't get mail so my postman never picked up my outgoing. He should have being I had the flag up, but he didn't. So I know that if the receiver is checking date stamps, mine is going to be off a day.

Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:39 PM ET
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Many is the time that I've printed a label 5 minutes before heading out the door to run errands - which usually includes going by the PO or a blue mailbox.  I print the label at the desk in my bedroom, stop off at my kitchen table where I keep all of my shipping supplies, wrap the book, grab my keys & hit the door.   I mark them mailed before leaving the house because my afternoon errands, especially on days that I go by the PO, keep me out late, and when I get home, my kids are usually on my computer playing their stupid Worlds of Warcraft game, and I don't get back online until late that night, if at all.  I realize this puts me actually dropping my books in the mailbox sometimes 5 or 10 minutes after I said I did, and if I have to stand in line at the PO, I could be living really dangerously and mailing as much as 20 or 30 minutes later.  I am evil and I must be purged:P

Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:46 PM ET
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Christy, the chances of anything happening to me between my front door and the mailbox on the corner that is less than ten feet from my front door are nonexistant.  If I mark it mailed, I will walk it down there and put it in the box.  I think you are being a little too literal. 

The chances of anything preventing me from mailing that book for more than a handful of minutes is nonexistant.  There is probably a greater chance of someone driving a car into the blue box and destroying it and everything in it.

Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:52 PM ET
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They just took the blue box that was at the end of my street away because it kept getting vandalized, so books are probably safer in my car than they were in that thing:P  My PO station is less than 1 mile away though, it's open late, has a 24hr drop & APC, and a huge bank of blue boxes in front of it.  Oh... and I'm a good driver:P 

Date Posted: 1/22/2009 10:53 PM ET
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The odds of me having an accident and not actually getting the book in the mailbox are pretty slim.  I think I'll risk it.

What if I'm in the accident on the way home from dropping the book in the mailbox?  It's actually been mailed but I can't mark it as mailed so I'm out the credit if, for whatever reason, I'm unable to get online and mark it as mailed.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 12:54 AM ET
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I hate it when people Lie!!!

I dislike it when people overreact. I don't think it's a big deal. I print most of my labels out at night. Then I drive to the post office where I have a PO box and drop them off. I retrieve my mail and then go out. I typically don't return home until 1 or 2 am. By that time, I'm ready to fall into bed. In the morning, the books will be taken from the APC bin and put into the system. They are technically out of my hands and on their way to the recipient. Is that really such a big problem?

I have a million things to do in the morning before I leave for class. Turning on the computer to mark books mailed is not going to happen.



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Date Posted: 1/23/2009 1:13 AM ET
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Looks as if I didn't copy enough - there is more than what I posted.

A book must be mailed within 48 hours of marking it mailed

  • It is okay to mark your book mailed before you have mailed it if:

    • The deadline date falls on a postal holiday
    • Your computer/Internet access is unreliable
    • You plan to mail the book on your way out of town
  • It is not okay to mark your book mailed and delay Mailing it for longer than 48 hours
    • We understand that sometimes circumstances interfere with prompt mailing!  But this should not be a habit.
    • If your mailing is delayed, you must inform the requestor as soon as possible, so that she doesn't think the book is lost in the mail if it was merely mailed late.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 1:20 AM ET
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Since PBS defines the only instances it's ok to mark before mailing, we can assume any circumstances not listed may be considered against the rules.  Many of the instances above not only violate the letter of the rules, but the spirit of the rules.  I recognize several names above as staunch and vocal defenders of PBS rules, so do the rules only apply when they are convenient for you? 

With increasing frequency, I'm seeing books postmarked several days, even weeks after they are marked in the system as mailed.  And yes, life happens between your computer and the mailbox.  I had a book running really late, and was finally contacted by the sender.  She was housebound and had wrapped the book to be mailed and given it to her son to mail while running errands, then she marked the book mailed.  Unfortunately, her son's car was stolen before he mailed the book.  They waited to report this, in hopes that the car and package would be returned.  The car was later recovered but not the package.  No hard feelings, but in the meantime I waited a month for the book and then had to reorder it.  Both of us could have avoided a headache if the book had properly been marked mailed, after it really was mailed.

Personally, as a requestor, I would rather see the books marked mailed a day later rather than being mislead that it was mailed when it wasn't.  I apply that same courtesy to others when I send books they have requested from me.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 3:28 AM ET
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Again, the rules indicate it is not okay to mark your book mailed, and delay mailing it for 48 hours.  So, marking it mailed, then walking to your door and putting it in your mailbox is okay.

The person with the stolen car and the lost book didn't handle it well.  If it didn't turn up immediately she PMed you to let you know that it wasn't mailed and PMed the PBS team to cancel the transcation since it wasn't going to be mailed so you could get your credit back and have the order go to someone who had the book to mail.  However, I think that is pretty clearly the exception rather than the rule.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 3:42 AM ET
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Christy,

Rather than assume people are lying, I'd consider plausible scenarios why members would mark mailed when they do.

1) Not everyone has unlimited computer access. Some members may be marking mailed immediately after printing labels or handwriting labels because they are using public or company computers. 

2) Marking to provide real urgency to mail and so we don't forget to mark 'shipped' when package is en route. I am a self-admitted scatterbrain. I need to address things in the moment because it is very possible for me to forget  to mark shipped. I mark shipped somewhere in the cycle of printing the label and wrapping. I don't print labels and mark shipped until I know I'm going to the post office within the 48 hours.

3) We do have 48 within marking shipped. Sorry, some of us work odd hours, have kids and a crap lot of errands in addition to mailing your book. Shipment can take up to 3 weeks. I'm with Lea, relax.

4) Limited transportation. I only drive a few days a week. Combine that with weather and the best intentions sometimes are thrown off.  If  it's within 48 hours, there's no reason for the sender to write you and say, "Missed my ride so the book didn't go 5 minutes after I marked it."

If you have time to watch when someone accepts your requests and their subsequent printing and marking it mailed, you've got more time than a lot of folks.

You're getting a book without going out to buy it. It's costs you the equilavent of  less than $3. Does it really matter if the person is literally marking it shipped as they walk out the door to mail it?



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Date Posted: 1/23/2009 7:18 AM ET
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I often print a label, put stamps on it and stick it in my mailbox to go out, mark it mailed and that procedure takes about 1 minute! Jeez, lighten up -- we are not lying when we print and mail in a minute, perhaps we just do it differently than you do and it is totally within the rules. Please don't be so quick to suggest the worst! Most of us are good people, abiding by the rules.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 7:23 AM ET
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I agree--it's a bit of an overreaction. I myself really hate it when people mark a book mailed and then don't mail it for a week. But marking a book mailed and then actually putting it in the mailbox 10 minutes or an hour later or later the same day? No biggie.

Christy, let's turn your scenario about the "having a car wreck" around. Say the person was very literal-minded and had 10 books she was taking to the PO but did NOT mark them mailed before she left. She actually mails the books, gets in a car wreck on the way home, ends up in hospital. The requests needed to be marked mailed the next day, but since she hasn't  done so, the system cancels the orders. Now everyone who ordered those books is either going back to #1 on the WL or the request is being passed along to the next person in FIFO if the books were available in system, and likely at least a few of those folks are going to end up with two copies of the book, and the person who sent them isn't going to get credit for any of those books, according to the rules, because she didn't mark them mailed in time.

Yeah, stuff happens and it's certainly possible that any number of unlikely scenarios "can" happen. And yes, rules are meant to be followed. But there's also something to be said about following "the spirit of the rules." Sometimes i check here at PBS just before I leave for work. If I have a request, I'll pack it up, print the label and mark it mailed and drop it in the blue box in front of my work a half hour later. If that means I'm breaking the rules....yeee haaa! I'm a rebel!

Cheryl

 

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 8:10 AM ET
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Many of the instances above not only violate the letter of the rules, but the spirit of the rules.  I recognize several names above as staunch and vocal defenders of PBS rules, so do the rules only apply when they are convenient for you?

Lol!  Maybe you should try reading them again?  They specifically state that it's not okay to "delay Mailing it for longer than 48 hours".   If they meant it's not okay to delay mailing them for 30 minutes, I'm fairly certain they'd have found a way to say that.  Anything that I know ahead of time is going to be past 30 minutes or so, I wait until the next time I can log in to mark, but personally, I could care less what everyone else does as long as they are in compliance with the 48 hour rule, and drop me an inbox if they aren't.  And I hate to say it, but if the real tragedy in someone having a car accident on their way to the PO is that someone's book didn't get mailed when it was supposed to, there's something wrong there:P  The real problem with mailing after marking comes from people who mark books mailed and don't actually get around to it until several days or more later.  It's not from somebody who marks it mailed and then takes it outside and puts it in their mailbox or goes straight to the PO - or even goes first thing in the morning for that matter.  God forbid I should ever become so nitpicky that I couldn't make that distinction.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 9:19 AM ET
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I don't care when it's mailed as long as I get it before it goes lost.  I know people have lives and sometimes stuff happens.

It's possible that this person only has limited computer access. So they had to mark it mailed then or risk not being able to get on the computer again in time.  Maybe they are going out of town. Who knows.

It's just a book. THere's more important things in life to worry about then whether the book was actually mailed that minute.

I was thinking the same thing as Kim: if the sender has an accident on the way to the PO-the last thing I'm going ot be concerned about is whether or not my book was mailed and I was out that $3.50 credit. I'd be worried that this person was ok-are they losing work because of it, major car repairs are they injured. Not whether my book is going to be late.

Oh and I am one of those people who can just walk out their front door and mail the book. My mail man picks up small packages from the mail box. So I could conceivably, say at 3am-print a label, wrap it up and stick the book in my mail box and it would be technically mailed.

Also if someone uses stamps you can't trust the postage date as it may have been put in a blue box or mail box days before the PO gets around to stamping it.



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Date Posted: 1/23/2009 9:30 AM ET
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Christy,

In my office, my desk is right next to the mail drop, so I bring requested PBS books to work, print out a mailing label, package them during my lunch break, stick a stamp on them and then drop them into the mail drop.  I mark my books mailed literally seconds after I print the label because that is as fast as I actually put them in the mail.

Not everyone is lying.  It IS possible.

Date Posted: 1/23/2009 10:39 AM ET
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