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Subject: defination clarification-broken spine
Date Posted: 8/18/2015 7:30 AM ET
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What is your opinion of a broken spine?

My thoughts are when a book lays flat and you can see the spine between the two pages, that is a broken spine.

Date Posted: 8/18/2015 9:07 AM ET
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Personally, I refer to the lines that appear along the spine of a book "spine crack". It's kind of like stage-1 broken spine (by your def.). I'd have to say that both effect PBs more than HCs in general though, of course, I've gotten a couple of HCs over the year that easily lay flat.

Date Posted: 8/18/2015 9:23 AM ET
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Date Posted: 8/18/2015 12:58 PM ET
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My thoughts are when a book lays flat and you can see the spine between the two pages, that is a broken spine.

No, that's actually specifically allowed in the PBS rules. Extreme cases of that behavior might be a broken spine, but "books laying flat or opening to a specific page" is not the PBS definition of a broken spine.

IMO a broken spine on a paperback is when the glue is cracked in half and there's just paper holding the book together.

If the glue is just highly flexible and the book is "trained" to open to a specific page, that might technically be a damaged binding in real life, but for the purposes of PBS trading, I think it's acceptable.

The rules say this:

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY


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Date Posted: 8/18/2015 1:51 PM ET
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  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book

If I can see the spine between the two pages, wouldn't you call that a separation? I am not trying to be difficult, I am just trying to get better clarification.

I can read a book and have it still look brand new when I am done.  I get books that are 10 yrs old and are in better shape than some that are just 30 days old. What are these people doing to these books when they read them? lol

 

Date Posted: 8/18/2015 1:58 PM ET
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I am not trying to be difficult, I am just trying to get better clarification.

It's an interesting question and not everyone agrees on the definition. This is a past discussion about cleaved spines and pinhole separations which is pretty helpful, I think. It has pictures which people discussed. Some of the early posters were pretty strict on how they were interpreting the pictures, but someone in the thread eventually asked PBS to clarify it a little bit and they answered. I don't know if the discussion will clarify the exact book you have in mind or not ... but maybe it will.

http://www.paperbackswap.com/What-Cleaved-Spine/topic/150725/



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Date Posted: 8/18/2015 2:46 PM ET
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Thanks for the link. I am still not sure what to do.  I have an RC  that says no broken spines and this issue  is a matter of opinion.

I would consider this book unpostable  and not put it on my shelf but I also don't want to come across as too picky so I think I will just accept the book, refine my RC and enjoy reading the book (I hope).

Date Posted: 8/18/2015 6:41 PM ET
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Jane: If it helps any, I checked my RC and the way I phrased it is "a creased spine (broken binding line on/around the spine from being opened too wide)"

Date Posted: 8/26/2015 2:58 AM ET
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What Sara said yes

Jane, does your RC define what  you consider a broken spine?  Because opinions seem to differ on this matter.

Renee, what you described is merely discoloration of spine folds (or crease) and postable unless you have an RC (which you seem to have).  Not generally considered an actual crack, but discoloration of cover ink due to bending the paper.  Spine cracks/broken spine more often refers to problems with the glue...unless severe, then the paper may be involved also.



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Date Posted: 8/26/2015 8:39 AM ET
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It does now. I changed it after Renee shared her RC.

I have had a few people decline sending me a book but I would much rather wait than get a book in poor condition.

thanks for all the info shared, it has been very helpful