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Subject: Define Flyleaf
Date Posted: 8/28/2013 10:36 PM ET
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I have received 7 books in the last week and every one has had issues of one kind or another.  This last book I have received has writing not on a blank page, but on the page with text that gives a short description of the book.  RWAP or not?  Everything I have read defines flyleaf as a blank page.  

Date Posted: 8/28/2013 10:39 PM ET
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And,  I ordered another book from the same member, and they sent a wrong book.  Not even the same title or author.  Definitely a RWAP.

Date Posted: 8/28/2013 11:14 PM ET
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Are you talking about the very first page as you open the cover of the book?  Writing on this page is Ok.  People often write their names on this first page or the book is signed by the author, etc.  There can't be writing on the text pages of the story itself.

Date Posted: 8/28/2013 11:39 PM ET
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Since author signatures and library stamps are specifically allowed on that page and the rules don't say that writing can only be on blank pages, but says no writing on "text pages" which they define as story pages when asked to clarify on a lot of things, I cannot see the writing as a RWAP. Is the writing obscuring text or in the margin of the page? The point of the rule is so that writing does not interfere with the use of the book, I'm not seeing how writing on that page could possibly interfere with someone using the book since it is describing the book you are about to read, its redundant material.

You can always send in Feedback and ask the site to clarify the rule for you, but I think they will say that writing on that page will be ok, especially if it us just in the margins.

People make mistakes in wrapping books sometimes. Maybe they were wrapping a lot of orders up and mixed up the books. I wouldn't assume they sent you the wrong book on purpose. When you mark that book wrong book - be sure to mark it as wrong title/author, this option doesn't actually log the book as received, it just lets the sender know what happened and returns the book to your Enroute page. You can mark it received if they send the correct one, or it will go lost and you will get your credit back if they don't.



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Date Posted: 8/28/2013 11:43 PM ET
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Yes, the first page as you open the cover and the text of a short description of the book.  Not actually the pages of the story itself.  I will already have to RWAP this same member for sending a wrong book (ordered 2 books, 1 free), so I didn't want to have to RWAP on the writing.

Date Posted: 8/29/2013 12:05 AM ET
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Melanie, I sent feedback and asked for them to clarify flyleaf and text pages.  I just want to know if I will be able to repost it without fear of an RWAP.

Date Posted: 8/29/2013 10:11 AM ET
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I will already have to RWAP this same member for sending a wrong book (ordered 2 books, 1 free)

Lisa, the phrase in parenthesis above raises questions.  Did you receive a total of 3 books (paid 2 credits, received a third free) or 2 books (paid 1 credit, received a second free)?  If you received 2 books for one credit, you have no recourse through PBS for the book for which you did not pay a credit.  If the sender mailed the wrong book as a freebie, you could contact him/her to ask about correcting the error, but there's no option to RWAP if the book was received through a deal.

Date Posted: 8/29/2013 10:46 PM ET
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Valerie, I ordered 2 books (2 credits).  One of them was not the correct book.  Then I got a freebie that was the correct one.  All of them had writing on the same pages that I am needing to be clarified.

Date Posted: 8/30/2013 7:07 AM ET
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Valerie, I ordered 2 books (2 credits).  One of them was not the correct book.  Then I got a freebie that was the correct one.  All of them had writing on the same pages that I am needing to be clarified.

 
I still don't understand-- you got 3 books from one sender, but paid 2 credits, because one was a freebie?  Or you got the correct book, a freebie from another sender?
 
Date Posted: 8/30/2013 7:38 AM ET
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Since the writing is not on the text pages, it sounds perfectly postable.

Date Posted: 8/30/2013 10:06 AM ET
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I had a wishlist book come available.  I looked through this member's bookshelf.  I ordered another book from their shelf.    I requested another book from their bookshelf as a freebie.  So, 3 books for 2 credits.  All supposed to be postable.  One book that I used a credit for was not the correct book.  All the books have the writing that I am asking the question about.  I understand...I can not do anything about the freebie.   I understand..The book that was not the correct one ordered, that I used a credit for, is an RWAP.  My question....Is the writing in the flyleaf or is this page not considered the flyleaf?

Date Posted: 8/30/2013 5:02 PM ET
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Writing on the first page is acceptable.  Just no writing on the text pages of the story itself.  If you use the "contact us" button, PBS will confirm this and you can stop worrying about it.  I have posted many books that were signed by the author or had someone's name written on this page. I've had no problems.

Date Posted: 8/31/2013 12:37 AM ET
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From the American Heritage dictionary:

fly·leaf  (flimacr.gifprime.giflemacr.gifflprime.gif)

n.
A blank or specially printed leaf at the beginning or end of a book.
Date Posted: 8/31/2013 9:56 AM ET
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And often, authors will sign the title page, not the flyleaf, but that is OK too for posting here.

Date Posted: 8/31/2013 4:17 PM ET
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From the help center:

No writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages

  • a signature or note on the flyleaf or inside front or back cover is OKAY
  • an author's signature on the title page is OKAY
  • writing or highlighting or underlining on the text pages is NOT OKAY
Date Posted: 8/31/2013 4:55 PM ET
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Flyleaf

A blank leaf, sometimes more than one, following the front free endpaper or at the end of a book where there is not sufficient text to fill out the last few pages.

 

Date Posted: 8/31/2013 10:30 PM ET
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Regardless of how you define flyleaf, PBS rules clearly state that writing on beginning or ending NON-TEXT pages is OK.  So, it really doesn't matter if you define flyleaf as blank or whether your writing is on the title page, acknowledgements page, dedication page, or about the author page.  It's still postable as long as it's not on a text page--that's the bottom line.