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Subject: Definition of giftable???
Date Posted: 9/27/2008 1:48 PM ET
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I ordered 2 books, and specifically asked if they were in giftable condition, the poster assured me she considered them to be. I opened them just now, one book has wrinkled pages and the other has some kind of stain along the very outer edges of the book, possibly chocolate? They're both hardcover children's books and to me, sooo not giftable. :(

I'm thoroughly disappointed and would never have gotten them if I'd known I wouldn't be able to regift them.

What to do?

Thanks.....

Date Posted: 9/27/2008 1:54 PM ET
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IMO, they aren't giftable either.  You can ask for your credits back, but unfortunately, because the definition of "giftable" is vague, she may just say she would have given them as gifts, so therefore they are.

However, PBS guidelines do say that a book should not be posted that has stains on it unless it's a cookbook, so I would definately ask her to credit you for the stained book.

 

Date Posted: 9/27/2008 1:54 PM ET
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Date Posted: 9/27/2008 1:55 PM ET
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I know this doesn't help you now but I would specifically request books that are in new condition and specify some of those things (no wrinkles, no cover wear, no CHOCOLATE :)) since giftable could be relative (as you found out). I have found that in dealing with people (primarily men) that you have to be VERY specific. Believe me, that's not a put-down, that's an observation.

Date Posted: 9/27/2008 2:38 PM ET
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I agree that I would be more clear about "Giftable" just so there can't be any real "personal interpretation".

I also wanted to add that even with cookbooks, which are allowed to have stains, the sender has to PM the requestor and make sure they agree!  I would, also, request my credit back on the stained book.

Date Posted: 9/28/2008 7:24 AM ET
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I know what they say about assuming things but when you say something is giftable, wouldn't you automatically assume it should be in just bought condition, or something that you wouldn't mind giving your own kids, friends, sister, mother, etc.? This person clearly wanted to unload the books and misled me. The stain isn't that big a deal for a used book but not if you're giving it to someone as a gift. It just pi$$es me off. And the bent pages are from a typical child's enjoyment from reading his/her book. Again, totally acceptable for my own use.

At the very least, the poster could have told me the exact condition when I asked about them being giftable but she led me to believe they were just great.

I do have to add that I received a whole buncha books from Arlene on here, mint condition, definitely regiftable and I was very pleased about that deal.

grrrrr 2 more credits wasted.

Date Posted: 9/28/2008 12:48 PM ET
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While the book with the chocolate stain sounds like it should never have been posted, I think you are unreasonable to ask for books in "giftable" condition.  That's like asking for books in new or pristine condition, and that's a huge turnoff for me.  This is a book swapping site, books in new condition are the bonus, it shouldn't be expected.

Date Posted: 9/28/2008 2:17 PM ET
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Lissette, I've seen lots of people's posts, stating explicitly for books to give as Christmas gifts, etc. I saw nothing wrong with that and this poster assured me hers was also. I certainly, by NO means expect that from a normal swap. But when it's clearly mentioned that's what you're seeking and someone replies that yes, theirs are that way, then to me, there's nothing wrong with it.

Am I in the wrong here? I don't really think so. She could have just said "no, I don't have what you're looking for".

 

I just looked up the original thread I posted on, the poster was advertising her books as "near perfect condition, great for gift-giving". And I then replied under her post, she offered the books that way in the first place.

I don't know why but it makes me angry. I'll just let it go now.

Live and learn, right?



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Date Posted: 9/28/2008 5:54 PM ET
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Even though I've received many, many books that I would say were in "giftable condition" I wouldn't expect to receive them that way and would buy books that I intended to give as gifts.  That said in this case, it sounds like you have every right to be angry -- feeling like you were lied to does that to most people.  ;-)  Not only was one book unpostable at the outset, the offer of books "great for gift-giving" was made and you accepted it in good faith.  I'd be asking that both of those credits be returned. 



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L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 9/28/2008 5:58 PM ET
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"Giftable" to me is "like new" - no marks, wrinkles, torn pages or wear; in other words, you cannot tell that the book was purchased used.   The one that is stained doesn't meet PBS guidelines, so I would mark that one RWP.

 

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Date Posted: 9/28/2008 6:09 PM ET
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I don't think "giftable" is subjective at all.  It means "in like new condition." 

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Date Posted: 9/29/2008 3:10 AM ET
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Maurine, did you PM the sender and ask how she thought those books were giftable?  I would do that at the very least.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 6:18 AM ET
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T.G., yes I did pm the sender and expressed my disappointment of the condition of her "near perfect" books, saying I hoped we could work something out, she gave me 1 of my credits back. I appreciated that very much. She did tell me that the other 7 books she sent out at the same time were received with rave reviews and that she was shocked that I was complaining. Made me feel like the mean nasty bit@hy complainer. :( I honestly am very flexible and easy to please most of the time.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 8:08 AM ET
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Look, I'm sorry you were lied to, but I'd suggest just buying books new instead of trying to find them in new condition here.  It would save you grief.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 10:16 AM ET
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I don't like the term "giftable". 

I gift used books. All the time. Family & friends.   They don't look new. I make sure they are presentable (no stains, cover firmly attached, etc), but you can tell they've been read most of the time.  I receive similar.  None of us care.  Giftable to me is just good used condition.  I know that isn't how people use it here, but why not just say "Like New" instead of "giftable"?    Use the specific not the version that sounds "nicer".

In this case, it doesn't sound like a definition was the problem, and I'm glad she gave you at least one credit back.  If she described them as "like new" and used it as a way to get orders on her shelf, then the books should have been as described. 

It's just...every time I see "giftable" I want to say "All my books are giftable in my circle.  Please be more specific on your question, and maybe have a discussion about environmental impacts and the fact some used items are just as good if these are for someone you are teaching about life.  If it is your peer & they are persnickety-I'm sorry."

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 12:18 PM ET
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I think I agree with Kayote.  "Giftable" is too vague anyway.  I have old collectibles published in the 70's that have a pretty high resale value and are very rare, and yeah, I know several people who would be over the moon to get them as gifts.  They aren't so much to look at though:P  Nothing rough - they are in as good condition as a paperback book published in the 70's can be; aside from page tanning & light cover wear they look great, but old.  I don't think I'd just automatically trust that another member will see them that way though.  Many would, but there will always be someone who expects a like-new book, and I think if that's what you want, it should say that in your RCs.  I also think that people should be using the RCs per request more often too though.  Nothing wrong with leaving them off, and then writing an RC for the specific book you're requesting - like something you want for a gift and would like to be in like new or gently used condition - then turning them off again.  Unless you have a lot of WL books on auto request and you're near the top of the list for anyway.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 12:22 PM ET
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I guess I personally do not understand why anyone would order a used book here to give as a gift. I am not judging, I just wonder why someone wouldn't just go to a bookstore and BUY a gift .*shrug*

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 12:42 PM ET
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Laurie, this is the first year I've even considered giving a used item as a gift. And it would have never entered my head if I hadn't seen others doing it here. I operate a daycare, my circumstances have changed dramatically this year, financial and otherwise. I've always bought them brand new everything, other people's children. Money will be extremely tight this year, as it will be for everyone. Buying "near perfect condition" books was one way for me to offer other people's children close to the same type of Christmas I've been able to offer them in years past. I am not cheap by any means. I usually spend around 30 bucks per child for a gift. This year, due to personal circumstances, etc., it will be extremely downsized.

I don't really feel the need to explain it all but I guess I just did. :( Anyways, I don't want you all to think I'm cheap. Or that I came to this site looking for brand new books or anything.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 1:02 PM ET
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Laurie: Why would I buy a brand new gift when a used one is just as good?  Better in many cases!   For music, it means the RIAA doesn't get any money.  For books, they are just as readable used.  For clothing if it isn't stained or worn, what's the problem?

Actually, for a lot of what my family likes you CAN'T buy them new because they aren't made anymore.

I much prefer used gifts (when reasonable--there are some things that used is just not good) given to me.  I like the fact something is getting reused that it isn't using more resources, that it's not going in the landfill.

Anyone who turns their nose up at something I've carefully chosen for them because it happens to have had a previous owner--well, I don't have very many friends with that attitude, probably because we disagree on other parts of life as well.  It isn't that I don't care enough to find a new gift; I find a gift I think is perfect, and if it is used so be it.  If someone judges me based on how much I spent on their gift, I'm not likely to care that much.   If I can't find something used I think is good, then I look at new items.  I find I usually have better and more interesting choices used, though!

Amy
Date Posted: 9/29/2008 1:10 PM ET
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Maurine, I'm sorry you've had that experience. If that user told you the books were in giftable condition, they should have been so.

I don't think giftable can be subjective, at least when it comes to stains on the actual book.

I do agree with a few PPs on not looking for gifts on this website, as all transactions here are based on the honor system and there is no real recourse if you receive damaged goods. I realise that you're looking to save some cash (who isn't??) but I wouldn't rely on PBS for my gifts to others, simply because I wouldn't be able to guarantee a book's condition.

I do hope that you marked the books as RWAP, because the one with the stain was definitely not postable.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 1:21 PM ET
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Out of print  books would be one very good reason for buying used or trying to order them through PBS.  There are a lot of old books I'd love to have for myself, and if the option to go into a bookstore and buy them new was open to me, I'd do it.  Most people who read the same things I do would be equally pleased to get those books, so getting them as gifts - even though they're used and don't always look great - will still make their day.  Unfortunately, a book has to be in print and available to buy it new, and many are hard to find even when you spend all of your spare time combing through every UBS in town:P  I've gotten many such books through PBS, and in a lot of those cases, I just couldn't find them anywhere else.  Some were available through ebay & Amazon, and some weren't.  I have many more like them currently on my WL.  It's unlikely that I'll get even a third of them, but that's okay - I was tickled pink to get the ones I have, and given that they all had to at least meet the PBS standard, they have mostly been in good enough condition to make me very happy.



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Date Posted: 9/29/2008 1:37 PM ET
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Kim has a great point. "Giftable" for a long-OOP book would be quite different from a book that you can hop over to B&N to buy. I would never consider putting a "giftable" condition in my RC's, because I put my WL on AR, and that request would go out for every book I order. It's just not possible for some of those older books to be in like-new condition. And if they were, they're probably not going to go through PBS for a mere $3.45 credit. They'll likely be for sale for much higher than that.

Amy
Date Posted: 9/29/2008 1:45 PM ET
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I just want to clarify that I did not mean that the OP should not be using PBS to find giftable books, just that I would advise against it most of the time, seeing as you can never guarantee the condition of the book you'll be getting.

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 6:41 PM ET
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I think one thing we need to remember here, though, is that the OP was responding to a thread where the books that the sender had were *advertised* by the sender as being in *near perfect condition, great for gift-giving.* It wasn't that Maurine has an RC asking only for 'giftable' books, she was responding to a posting where the sender was TOUTING her books that way. In that case, I think you would definitely expect that they should be above and beyond the PBS standards. But it also explains why I mostly just plain stay away from the book bazaar, and yes, Maurine, unfortunately this is one of those 'live and learn' situations. :(

I am with Kayote on used stuff. Recycle! There's too much "stuff" floating around out there that could be well-used by someone else! I give used stuff as gifts all the time, too--I think it's interesting getting (and giving!) stuff with a history. Most of my clothes are from Goodwill--it's pretty funny, some of the girls at work were just aghast at that whole idea, but I don't care. The clothes are clean and functional and they fit--does it really matter that they're someone else's discards? Heck no! Plus it leaves me more money for books. (Used, of course. LOL)

Cheryl

Date Posted: 9/29/2008 7:18 PM ET
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I gift used books. All the time. Family & friends.   They don't look new. I make sure they are presentable (no stains, cover firmly attached, etc), but you can tell they've been read most of the time.  I receive similar.  None of us care.  Giftable to me is just good used condition

 

I'm in agreement with Kayote on this comment. My family and friends are the same way. We give each other used things all the time--including for Christmas and birthday presents. Last year, my young cousin received a jewelry box with jewelry that I no longer wear and she was thrilled with the present. 

 

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