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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 12:06 AM ET
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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 12:36 AM ET
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I haven't been a member for long, but my sense from reading this and othe forums is that you have had a really bad run of it and that most people do not get unpostable books!  I've also gathered from this forum that it is extremely important to RWAP books that do not meet postability criteria to get those books out of circulation.  Granted, the criteria are not perfect, nor are they all-encompassing, but they do get the point across that your book can't be in horrid condition before you send it to someone else.

I don't think you're being picky at all, especially for most of the problems that you have mentioned above.  The criteria exist for a reason, to keep members from getting books in a condition that interferes with their enjoyment of reading the book.

Date Posted: 9/9/2009 12:53 AM ET
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<<I didn’t even report a few orders that had some minor issues, because I planned on keeping them and not reposting them. But, I will report a problem if I plan to repost the book…>>

You should always mark problematic books as such; asking for your credit back is optional, but marking it RWP is part of your "civic duty" to the PBS community -- it is the only way that members who post unpostable books will either learn the rules or be weeded out.


Date Posted: 9/9/2009 1:08 AM ET
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It seems as if you have had an extremely bad run of luck.  I've received about 120 books and only a small handful (like, maybe five, tops) have been unpostable.

I'm so sorry you're having all these problems. :(

Date Posted: 9/9/2009 2:17 AM ET
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ONE problem swap in hmmm over 300 books received.   Nope no problem here! 

Ohhhhhhh cuse me - 408 books received!!!

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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 6:59 AM ET
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It does sound like you've had a VERY bad run of luck! I've been here 4 years and received over 1300 books, and I have had a total of 8 problem swaps...2 wrong book, 2 damaged by sender, and 4 that were damaged in transit due to poor packaging.

And you should mark EVERY problem swap as such, whether you plan to keep the book, or were going to repost it or whatever....because it's folks who allow people to send "bad" books without complaint or asking for a credit back that only perpetuate the problem. If people think they can send crap and get away with it and still get their credit, they'll do it again.


Date Posted: 9/9/2009 7:41 AM ET
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You may have just had the worst run of luck known.  Do report all of these unpostables and request your credits back to put some teeth into the requirement of  posting good books.  I'm so sorry this has happened to you.  Whenever PBS gets lots of publicity  there is an influx of new members some of whom never read the requirements and others who don't care.  And I hate to say this, but sometimes I think members who know better will try to take advantage of new members hoping they don't know about the postability conditions and won't complain.  Do complain.  And remind those members that if the issue isn't resolved you will be marking the issue unresolved which places a 2nd black mark against their record with PBS.  Stand up for yourself and the rest of us here on PBS who want and expect the conditions that PBS has established to be upheld.


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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 9:38 AM ET
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I do think it is easy to miss the hardback/paperback thing.  Sometimes the isbn on the book comes up with a different binding and it is easy to overlook.  I know I sent out a hardback book that I listed as a paperback and didn't notice it until after I had mailed. 

I do not understand why someone would post by searching rather than using the isbn.  Seems like more of a hassle to do it that way.

Date Posted: 9/9/2009 10:40 AM ET
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I've received 43 books so far and not a single problem yet - in fact, most of the books appeared in near-new condition.  Sounds like you've been getting the RWAPs that I should've gotten! 

Sorry to hear about your bad luck.

Date Posted: 9/9/2009 10:56 AM ET
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No it's not normal. I was going to ask if you are maybe just too picky but the problems you listed are legitimate.  I would mark them all RWP even if you don't aks for your credit back. Like others have said if you don't report the problems then PBS can't get rid of the bad swappers.

I've received over 400 books (give or take) and I think I've only had maybe 10 bad books.  I've gotten a lot that were borderline and will be unpostable after I read them. But it's to be expected that sometimes books will end their postability with you.  But only about 10 were bad enough for me to mark them RWP.  I think I got my credit back on all but 2 or 3. 

I also joined another booktrading site to move the unpostables.  But I still mark them RWP here-I just may not ask for my credit back unless the book is really nasty since I can post it on the other site.  But I find that I've gotten my credit back even when I haven't asked. 

Date Posted: 9/9/2009 11:27 AM ET
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It's unusual to get so many RWAPs in a row, but it does happen.  I've gone through a couple of phases where it seemed that all I was doing was reporting books RWAP.  On the ones that I did not want my credit back, I marked "resolved" immediately and told the person that I did not want a credit and that I had marked the RWAP resolved, while assuring the sender that I was sure that they were good traders but as a good PBS citizen I needed to mark all RWAPs as such and that one RWAP on a good record would not be a problem but it would help weed out people who habitually sent bad books.


OTOH, I've gone through a couple phases where most of the books I received were practically new.

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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 12:09 PM ET
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Your experience isn't normal at all.  From what I've seen on the site, your record with unpostables is abnormally high!  Definitely mark ALL your problem books as RWAP, it helps all members in the long run and makes this site a better place.

I've received over 400 books and have had one USPS damaged book.  A few close calls with poor wrapping that got obliterated but luckily the books remained fine!  So, judging by the law of averages you have more than used up your quota of receiving bad books and hopefully will start having an amazing run of good books.  Good luck and happy swapping!

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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 1:27 PM ET
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Date Posted: 9/9/2009 3:01 PM ET
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All I can tell you is, it's normal for me. :-(  I hope this is just a string of bad luck for you -- or maybe you've have taken over for me as the place where bad books go to die and I won't have any problems anymore! ;-)

Date Posted: 9/9/2009 3:53 PM ET
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Hi Marie,

It sounds like you have had a lot of unpostable books.

I'm sure you are familiar with the rules, and most of your problems are extremely unpostable books, but I just want ot comment on a few of the problems you have listed ...

writing on books -- is not allowed on text pages, but if the writing is in other places, like inside the cover or on the flyleaf, that is still OK.
something acidic on cover -- this might also be postable. Not sure because I can't see the books ... but a certain amount of cover damage is allowed. Is it a worn spot or is it liquid damage? Because liquid damage is unpostable, where a worn spot may or may not be postable.
ripped pages --
not allowed for text pages. If it is one of the blank pages (or other non-text pages) in the book, it can be ripped ... because the book is postable with the page missing completely.
corners ripped open -- this might also still be postable. Depending on how much fraying there actually is at the corners.  If it is mild, the book is probably still postable.

I'm not saying that any of the books that you got are postable, cause obviously I can't see them .. just wanted to say that the rules have some gray areas and subtlties to them.

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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 11:16 PM ET
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Subject: Unpostable books
Date Posted: 9/13/2009 1:00 AM ET
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I have been here almost from the beginning of PBS and have gotten......lemme think 1 book that was a large print and I didn't order the large print...different ISBN...a couple that were on their last legs and one with several pages cut out.....most if not all of the books i have received look brand new

Date Posted: 9/13/2009 1:09 AM ET
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Wow, I have been here for 9 months and in all the books I have gotten I have had issues with ONLY 2....  Many of the books I get I swear have to be new too...

Date Posted: 9/13/2009 11:21 PM ET
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I've recieved 60 books without a single problem. In fact, Most of them look brand new. 

Date Posted: 9/14/2009 6:21 PM ET
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I seem to get more unpostables than most, too.  I hold my breath each time I open a package.  I look the books over when I get them, but haven't gone through page by page.  Unforunately, many of them have stains hidden deep inside the book that I don't notice until I actually read it, which may be months down the line.  The last four WL books in a row that I've read have had stains somewhere in the middle of the book.  I tend to get a lot of wrinkly pages, too, which may or may not be water damage.  I used to get a lot of cleaved spines, but I don't so much anymore.  Lately, it seems to be stains.

Date Posted: 9/24/2009 9:22 PM ET
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Do you request a lot of children's books? Almost all my requests are for children's books and I've have had a high percentage of problem books too. :-(

Date Posted: 9/24/2009 11:26 PM ET
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I just started looking here because I just had my first problem.  I have accounts for my son and daughter and have received about 50 books so far, many look brand new and most worn ones have been fine.  this one had a piece of food stuck in it, like a piece of cookie about the size of a dime.  I marked it received with a problem and sent a PM that it had a piece of food and it had stained the pages next to it.  the sender PM'd me back and told me there was no way that could have happened.  I PM'd that I wasn't making it up.  Then she got really obnoxious and said she had quit PBS because of people like me a few years ago, that she had traded hundreds of books, then people who were just trying to get their credits back started lying and saying there were problems with her books.  Well, there probably were from what I saw.

Anyway, so far, about 50 books, 1 problem, not bad, but that person was very obnoxious.

Hopefully it will get better for you.  My daughter has gotten some beautiful American Girl harcovers, and I have sent out a lot of nice I Spy and Dr. Suess, etc.  there are a lot of very nice books being mailed around.  We swap almost exclusively kids books and have been very happy with PBS.

Good luck to you.

Date Posted: 9/25/2009 12:06 AM ET
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